Did Spock get married?

[Terok Nor]

In the Next Generation episode "Sarek" Captain Picard mentions how he previously met Ambassador Sarek at his son's wedding. Is this son supposed to be Spock or are we to assume Sarek had other children with his "new" wife in the gap between The Original Series and Next Generation eras?

Has it ever been answered anywhere by the writers or even in the novels?

 

[Nerys Myk]

In the Next Generation episode "Sarek" Captain Picard mentions how he previously met Ambassador Sarek at his son's wedding. Is this son supposed to be Spock or are we to assume Sarek had other children with his "new" wife in the gap between The Original Series and Next Generation eras?

Has it ever been answered anywhere by the writers or even in the novels?

IIRC, In some novels Spock is married to Saavik. None of the movies mentioned it.

 

[Terok Nor]

In the Next Generation episode "Sarek" Captain Picard mentions how he previously met Ambassador Sarek at his son's wedding. Is this son supposed to be Spock or are we to assume Sarek had other children with his "new" wife in the gap between The Original Series and Next Generation eras?

Has it ever been answered anywhere by the writers or even in the novels?

IIRC, In some novels Spock is married to Saavik. None of the movies mentioned it.

Wow. I had no idea but it sort of makes sense. Weren't they supposed to have a baby in Star Trek IV?

Thanks for the info

 

[ZapBrannigan]

When Star Trek was created, nobody thought we'd follow Kirk and Spock into old age. It's crazy that this thing endured long enough for TV characters to need full lives. But we still love Star Trek.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

In the Next Generation episode "Sarek" Captain Picard mentions how he previously met Ambassador Sarek at his son's wedding. Is this son supposed to be Spock

It must, ah, 'logically' be Spock, since Sarek only had one other son (Sybok) who was long dead by that time.

 

[Timo]

We get no evidence that Sarek would have been rendered infertile at any point. For all we know, he had sixteen sons (although Vulcan tradition called for him to kill all of his daughters in a barbaric ceremony), half of them with alien mistresses or wives.

What we do know is that Spock had no brother he would admit to as of the timeframe of ST5:TFF. He did have one stepbrother, but he was sparse with information on whether he had more - or whether he had sisters. That's our Spock, being sparse with information, so we really can't tell.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Tosk]

Even if Sarek really had no other children until after ST5, there is still 80 years before the ep Sarek. Plenty of time for some sweet sweet pon farr action.

 

[Albertese]

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What we do know is that Spock had no brother he would admit to as of the timeframe of ST5:TFF. He did have one stepbrother, but he was sparse with information on whether he had more - or whether he had sisters. That's our Spock, being sparse with information, so we really can't tell.

Timo Saloniemi

Sybok was Spock's half-brother, common father but different mother. A step brother is having totally separate parents but then one of your parents marries some other kid's parent, then you have a step-sibling. Think The Brady Bunch.

A minor distinction but one worth mentioning.

--Alex

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

We get no evidence that Sarek would have been rendered infertile at any point. For all we know, he had sixteen sons (although Vulcan tradition called for him to kill all of his daughters in a barbaric ceremony), half of them with alien mistresses or wives.

But until we actually see or hear of any other sons Sarek may have had, they don't exist. Spock was the only surviving son we know of, therefore it must have been him.

 

[ManOnTheWave]

Even if Sarek really had no other children until after ST5, there is still 80 years before the ep Sarek. Plenty of time for some sweet sweet pon farr action.

This. The off hand comment in "Sarek" is just vague enough not to lock it down. He could have had another son with Perrin. Or another wife we don't know about.

 

[Terok Nor]

It could have been Sybok. He was the Vulcan Jesus. I'm sure he was capable of resurrection. I bet he married that cat lady who danced on the bar at Nimbus III.

 

[Timo]

Sybok was Spock's half-brother

Oops, right. Thanks for the clarification! I gotta learn English one of these days.

But until we actually see or hear of any other sons Sarek may have had, they don't exist. Spock was the only surviving son we know of, therefore it must have been him.

No, B doesn't follow from A. There's no obligation to take absence of evidence for evidence of absence, not even "until" - especially on an issue that so self-evidently offers other commonplace, everyday alternatives.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[T'Girl]

He could have had another son with Perrin

Leaning towards this. If Spock were to of gotten married, I (imho) think it would have been sooner that the time period mentioned in Sarek.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Picard didn't say exactly when the wedding took place...he could have been the greenest of Ensigns straight out of the Academy. Which would place the wedding sometime in the 2320's, about 40 years before the episode.

 

[Tosk]

^ Picard didn't say exactly when the wedding took place...he could have been the greenest of Ensigns straight out of the Academy.

Picard said he was a lieutenant when he met Sarek.

On the flip side, Picard does say in Unification that he met Spock once...so there's that.

 

[HIjol]

We get no evidence that Sarek would have been rendered infertile at any point. For all we know, he had sixteen sons (although Vulcan tradition called for him to kill all of his daughters in a barbaric ceremony), half of them with alien mistresses or wives.

What we do know is that Spock had no brother he would admit to as of the timeframe of ST5:TFF. He did have one stepbrother, but he was sparse with information on whether he had more - or whether he had sisters. That's our Spock, being sparse with information, so we really can't tell.

Timo Saloniemi

http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Star_Trek_Interview_Book

"Detailing another reason why Saavik stays on Vulcan near the start of Star Trek IV, Leonard Nimoy explained that, rather than including her in the majority of the film, it seemed "more interesting to leave her behind with the potential information that she was expecting Spock's child."

http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Audio_commentary

http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek_IV:_The_Voyage_Home_(Blu-ray)


"In fact, the scripts for Star Trek IV included more than an implication that the reason Saavik remains on Vulcan is that, while Spock was undergoing pon farr on the Genesis planet, he had sexual intercourse with Saavik to eliminate its effects, and in doing so had impregnated her.”

Peter Krikes, who originally co-wrote the film's script with Steve Meerson, offered, "There was a scene with Kirk on the Bridge of the Bird-of-Prey. They cut out five lines where Kirk says to Saavik, 'Have you told him yet?' And she says, 'No. I'm taking a maternity leave' [....] All they did was cut out five lines of dialogue, and you lost that whole thing, which, I believe, will turn up in a Harve Bennett script in a couple of years."

"http://en.memory alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Making_of_the_Trek_Films" The Making of the Trek Films, 3rd ed., p. 64)"

 

[Greg Cox]

For those interested, the novel where Spock marries Saavik is Vulcan's Heart by Susan Shwartz and Josepha Sherman.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

We get no evidence that Sarek would have been rendered infertile at any point. For all we know, he had sixteen sons

I suppose so, but...you have 16 sons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt?

(Mr. Vulcan, don't you call me, 'cause I can't go...I owe my soul to the replicated store.)

 

[Timo]

I know, I know. But wouldn't you desperately want to leave some sort of a heritage if you already know your life is going to be cruelly cut short by disease at mere 200 or so?

Saavik being pregnant would shed some light on the pon farr thing, ruling out at least one possibility: that it's related to the female fertility cycle somehow. Odds would be heavily against Saavik being capable of bearing children at the time young Spock gets unbearably horny if that really were the case.

OTOH, do Vulcan women even get pregnant? Spock grew up with blood that's incompatible with Amanda's - perhaps the Vulcan Way does not include a placenta at all, and the child just sort of floats around inside the mother's womb like a marsupial would inside the pouch, eating through its own mouth and breathing through its own lungs, both of which develop very differently from their human equivalents in the early stages. A kid like that could be dumped on any willing "helping pouch", except perhaps in the case of poor pouchless Amanda...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[T'Arwen]

I know, I know. But wouldn't you desperately want to leave some sort of a heritage if you already know your life is going to be cruelly cut short by disease at mere 200 or so?

Saavik being pregnant would shed some light on the pon farr thing, ruling out at least one possibility: that it's related to the female fertility cycle somehow. Odds would be heavily against Saavik being capable of bearing children at the time young Spock gets unbearably horny if that really were the case.

OTOH, do Vulcan women even get pregnant? Spock grew up with blood that's incompatible with Amanda's - perhaps the Vulcan Way does not include a placenta at all, and the child just sort of floats around inside the mother's womb like a marsupial would inside the pouch, eating through its own mouth and breathing through its own lungs, both of which develop very differently from their human equivalents in the early stages. A kid like that could be dumped on any willing "helping pouch", except perhaps in the case of poor pouchless Amanda...

Timo Saloniemi

In ENT, T'Pol has to reassure Trip she was never pregnant when they find out they have a cloned baby (see Demons). So it must be possible. On blood compatibility, I would imagine that carrying a half-human child would be much easier on T'Pol than Amanda.