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DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)

I think sometimes we want this stuff to be a little too serious. This is a movie about a guy from another world flying around trying to help humans. In a blue suit with a red cape.

It just seems like many folks want to suck the fun and enjoyment out of these things. I remember trying to watch Andor season one. Fell asleep multiple times, I just didn't care about the machinations of the Republic and Empire.
Personally I often need that base level of seriousness in order to have my fun and enjoyment. They've got to construct a solid playground first before they're free to play.

So I appreciate that Corenswet came up with a justification for why Superman dresses like he does in this movie. He's a godlike alien whose very existence rewrites our understanding of reality, so he puts on a fun costume to not scare the kids.
 
Personally I often need that base level of seriousness in order to have my fun and enjoyment. They've got to construct a solid playground first before they're free to play.

Unfortunately the playground is ludicrous to begin with. So I just go with it. Lots of serious things out there to watch if that is what I’m hankering for.
 
Unfortunately the playground is ludicrous to begin with. So I just go with it. Lots of serious things out there to watch if that is what I’m hankering for.

I get what you're saying, but the same thing can be said for Star Trek. These are guys roaming around space in their pajamas with ray guns and teleporters. "Serious" episodes like "The Drumhead" could be said to be "sucking all the fun" out of the show, which is inherently ridiculous to begin with. Should we be relegated to nothing but "Piece Of The Action"-esque tales?

The most important thing is that people enjoy a thing, and for some, they want a more "serious" vibe. "Serious" doesn't have to mean "grounded" or "dark" or anything like that. It should be set in a fantastical world full of wonder and awe, but I don't think anyone is asking for a book along the lines of C.C. Beck's "Captain Marvel" either. One of the best Superman stories I ever read was a one off sometime at the end of the 90's and it had a heart breaking ending because Superman couldn't save the kid at the end. At the same time I enjoyed Alan Moore's "Supreme - The Story Of The Year" which is a love letter to the Mort Wesinger era of Superman and has fun, heart and some tragedy, but not enough to drown out the fun imo. It makes All-Star Superman look tame by comparison and was done in the mid 90's by Moore as a way to apologize for his darker, cynical work in the 80's.

Did I enjoy Andor? Yeah.....as a one off thing and that's about it. Did I enjoy the Snyder films? Yeah, but I'm liking what I'm seeing with this new DCU and if it embraces all the crazy stuff, ala All-Star Superman or Moore's Supreme, and can make it work, then I'm totally down with that.
 
So I appreciate that Corenswet came up with a justification for why Superman dresses like he does in this movie. He's a godlike alien whose very existence rewrites our understanding of reality, so he puts on a fun costume to not scare the kids.
Yep. Great insight and understanding of the character by Corenswet. Gives one a lot of reassurance that Gunn picked the right actor for the role.
 
I like the new suit, my only complaint is that it doesn't really look like something Martha would have made for him down on the farm. I'm curious if he got this one from the Fortress of Solitude, I know several versions have gone that route.
I just like the idea of the suit being something his mom made for him, it really adds that old fashioned farm boy feel to the character.
I think the CW shows split the difference. The outfit his mom made was old-fashioned Supes, but in series "current time" he wore something that looked like it required more sophisticated manufacture.
 
I had an old issue of either Superboy or Superman Family that had a story called 'The Origin of Superman's Uniform' where Superman told a reporter how his parents came up with idea for an indestructible suit for Clark to wear.
As an infant, Clark was always ruining his clothes, partially because he didn't know his own strength.
Then, one day, there was a fire in the barn and Pa Kent used the blankets from Clark's rocket ship to put out the flames. Pa discovered that the blankets didn't burn or scorch, but the fabric couldn't be cut with normal scissors, so he had to unravel each blanket by hand and then Clark used his heat vision to cut the threads, and Ma Kent sewed the uniform together. Rubber parts from the rocket, Clark molded into boots and glass from the canopy became the lenses for his glasses as they wouldn't melt if he used his heat vision. The cape comes with a pocket where Clark can compress his regular clothes into a tiny bundle. The writer also added the explanation that the Kryptonian fabric stretches as Clark grew; to try and explain why three small baby blankets could clothe a fully grown adult.​
 
I had an old issue of either Superboy or Superman Family that had a story called 'The Origin of Superman's Uniform' where Superman told a reporter how his parents came up with idea for an indestructible suit for Clark to wear.
As an infant, Clark was always ruining his clothes, partially because he didn't know his own strength.
Then, one day, there was a fire in the barn and Pa Kent used the blankets from Clark's rocket ship to put out the flames. Pa discovered that the blankets didn't burn or scorch, but the fabric couldn't be cut with normal scissors, so he had to unravel each blanket by hand and then Clark used his heat vision to cut the threads, and Ma Kent sewed the uniform together. Rubber parts from the rocket, Clark molded into boots and glass from the canopy became the lenses for his glasses as they wouldn't melt if he used his heat vision. The cape comes with a pocket where Clark can compress his regular clothes into a tiny bundle. The writer also added the explanation that the Kryptonian fabric stretches as Clark grew; to try and explain why three small baby blankets could clothe a fully grown adult.​

That was what I knew growing up. I'm not sure when that story began, but I believe it was sometime in the Silver Age and remained the story up until COIE.
 
Should we be relegated to nothing but "Piece Of The Action"-esque tales?

Absolutely not. We should just be mindful not to take things too seriously.

The most important thing is that people enjoy a thing, and for some, they want a more "serious" vibe. "Serious" doesn't have to mean "grounded" or "dark" or anything like that.

Unfortunately, with Hollywood, it is often all or nothing.
 
Been a while since I've watched it but I think it was just the S shield that came from Krypton in L&C.
I seem to recall Martha whipping up a bunch of different tights-based options, and then gave him the S when they settled on the final choice.

Yes, that's right. There was a whole "fashion montage" sequence trying out various superhero costume styles (I think it may have been scored with "Holding Out for a Hero"), but the shield was based on the Kryptonian seal on baby Kal-El's capsule, and was added last. And when Clark was concerned that the final design didn't include a mask, Martha joked that if he wore something that tight, nobody would be looking at his face.
 
Now, forever and always, this is a comic book about a man who flies and punchs planets to smithereens.

It is aimed, on a conceptual level, at eight year old children.

There is no base level of seriousness that the premise can afford to sustain without sacrificing its mythic core. Chasing that only distorts it. As we have recently seen demonstrated.

It's probably not enjoyable for every adult.
 
I hate being the guy to bring up MoS vs other Superman productions....
So far, from the trailer as well, the suit to me is just that. A suit. Something he puts on.

As observed in the pics released months ago, the suit looks like a loos skin-diving outfit, or oversized Kevlar material.

In MoS, his suit never felt like clothing. A garment he wore. It was a part of his entire being. Not separate. But again, that's probably just me. I'm not a Snyder fanboy, just someone who loves MoS/BVS/JLZC.

I believe you perceived the costume like most; from the way Kryptonian lore and materials were developed in the film, the suit felt like it had an organic foundation made for Superman. This was not some stitched-together suit you'd find at a costume shop that anyone could wear, but it was made as part of the representation of who he is.

But it's just that. A suit. Fabric. The MoS suit felt almost alien in a way.

Great, rational point--after all, Superman and his entire physical and ideological heritage is not of the earth, and that should be sen in his costume, if the story has him obtaining it from his world's obviously alien materials, not Fabric World.

"Serious" episodes like "The Drumhead" could be said to be "sucking all the fun" out of the show, which is inherently ridiculous to begin with. Should we be relegated to nothing but "Piece Of The Action"-esque tales?

That's the hill some choose to die on; instead of realizing that the source material from editors, writers and artists consciously moved away from Silver Age buffoonery (a position innumerable fans writing to the comics shared and encouraged as superhero comics naturally matured in the late 1960s), some convince themselves that the characters' identities were chained to some Saturday morning-esque interpretation (nevermind what the industry talents were doing to change content over the course of nearly 60 years).

It should be set in a fantastical world full of wonder and awe, but I don't think anyone is asking for a book along the lines of C.C. Beck's "Captain Marvel" either.

Well put.
 
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