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Spoilers Concerning Krall's back story

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While the weapon was a bit of a MacGuffin and the revenge plot was a tad cliché, I found Krall (Capt. Balthazar Edison) and his motivations to be very interesting. Edison grew up just as Earth was taking it's first major steps into the Galaxy and attempting to leave it's barbaric past behind it. As a M.A.C.O., he was a soldier trained to defend humanity from outside forces, a holdover from Earth's militaristic past that was quickly becoming obsolete as Starfleet favored peaceful expansion and exploration. He saw first hand how Starfleet's more peaceful diplomatic approach to relationships with other alien races left humanity venerable to attacks from the Xindi and the Romulans. Though it's never stated in the movie, it's likely that he was involved with or at least sympathetic to the Terra Prime movement based on his anti-unity remarks. With the establishment of the Federation, he suddenly found himself as Captain of the Franklin having to make peace with people he'd spent his life fighting. He reminds me of Admiral Cartwright from ST:6 as they were both Soldiers struggling to find their purpose in a new found era of peace. Edison's observation that humanity has made it's biggest strides forward during times of great struggle is sadly true, just look at how in the real world the space program was born out of WWII military technology and Cold War posturing and in the Star Trek Universe, Earth's first warp ship rose from the ashes of WWIII. Edison is a good villain because not only does he stand against the Federation but because he stands against the very core values and message of Star Trek itself: Unity, peace, and the human condition. What makes it even better is he's not some distant alien threat as we're lead to believe initially, he's one of us. While some people in his time like Captain Archer were whiling to extend the olive branch and take humanity's place in the stars, Edison was still clinging to a world and a mindset from humanity's past that was rapidly disappearing around him. It's analogous to the same struggles we have now days as humanity tries to move forward but is being held back by those clinging to old feuds, bigotry, and xenophobia. We spend years training people for War using hate and anger towards the opposing side but no time training them for the peace that will hopefully follow where they will have to live along side their former enemies.

EDIT: It's likely that he witnessed and maybe even lost people in the Xindi attack on Earth and would have been angry when they were allowed to join the Federation a few years later after the Romulan War. Daniels confirmed the Xindi would became Federation members but we don't know when they joined.
 
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I also really like the fact that he is a throwback of so many of the Star Ship Captains gone mad trope of TOS...

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He's no different then Captain Ronald Tracey, Captain Garth, Admiral Cartwright and The captain of the starship Equinox. They all had the same fault. A mental condition.
Captain Edison been on the planet how long. That he completely lost it before he became a Insect.
 
I also felt that he hated the idea of exploring deep space because doing so got he and his crew marooned and were never rescued. If you defended something and then that thing told you to hop in a ship and go way far out looking for stuff and then didn't have your back when you needed it, you'd probably be pretty pissed off too.
 
I already wrote it in the grading threat.
But Krall probably resented being assigned the captain post on a ship that used to be important, but is now an old rost bucket after the wars, cast aside doing unimportant stuff in back water areas of space.
Quite symbolic.
 
But why did he want to kill everyone on the Yorktown base? That didn't make much sense to me.

Yorktown was the ultimate representation of the Federation & everything he hated. Everything he thought was making us weak & complacent.
Unity and cooperation with the enemies he spent his life fighting, only to be discarded on a ship & abandoned to rot in that nebula.

And it was closest. A first step. Other Federation territories would follow if he had succeeded.
 
I already wrote it in the grading threat.
But Krall probably resented being assigned the captain post on a ship that used to be important, but is now an old rost bucket after the wars, cast aside doing unimportant stuff in back water areas of space.
Quite symbolic.

Good observation, his and the ship's story kind of mirror each other in a way. Edison was a successful and decorated Soldier trained to fight Earth's enemies but suddenly had to struggle to find his place in a post-Federation world where soldiers were no longer needed and former enemies were supposed to be treated and allies. The Franklin was at one time was the fastest Earth Starship, a top of the line vessel that was probably designed for Earth defense. The NX-01's dedication to exploration and the peaceful mission of the newly formed Federation made the ship obsolete. By the time Edison was given command the Franklin was just as behind the times and out of place as he was. It makes it even more poignant when he calls the Franklin his "old friend" during the attack on Yorktown.
 
Why the Federation didn't need soldiers anymore is somethng I don't understand either. The Federation is constantly in conflict with one race ore the other. Which makes any claim that Starfleet is not a military organisation wishful thinking, to put it mildly.
 
Good observation, his and the ship's story kind of mirror each other in a way. Edison was a successful and decorated Soldier trained to fight Earth's enemies but suddenly had to struggle to find his place in a post-Federation world where soldiers were no longer needed and former enemies were supposed to be treated and allies. The Franklin was at one time was the fastest Earth Starship, a top of the line vessel that was probably designed for Earth defense. The NX-01's dedication to exploration and the peaceful mission of the newly formed Federation made the ship obsolete. By the time Edison was given command the Franklin was just as behind the times and out of place as he was. It makes it even more poignant when he calls the Franklin his "old friend" during the attack on Yorktown.
And it took Kirk to make it a hero ship again defending the principles of the Federation.
 
I already touched on this in the Grading thread but I think it might be important.

That Krall didn't know how to deal with peace is pretty obvious. But once he found the alien technology on the planet he had to make a decision. And he decided to put his own life and survival (and that of his remaining crew) above everything else so he decided to use the technology to consume other species and extend his own life.

That's where a man who only knows violent solutions (having served in war), decides to go for a violent solution again. He consumes different species and integrates them into himself in a violent way. That is why the fusion of different species into one person didn't lead to an idea of multiculturalism and cooperation but to internal conflict.
It's the inherent violence of the method that made a peaceful coexistence of all these different species inside Krall's persona impossible.

In war, the only way for different species to deal with each other, was conflict. That's what Edison knew.
And through the use of that alien technology he again found a violent solution that shaped his new character.
 
I already touched on this in the Grading thread but I think it might be important.

That Krall didn't know how to deal with peace is pretty obvious. But once he found the alien technology on the planet he had to make a decision. And he decided to put his own life and survival (and that of his remaining crew) above everything else so he decided to use the technology to consume other species and extend his own life.

That's where a man who only knows violent solutions (having served in war), decides to go for a violent solution again. He consumes different species and integrates them into himself in a violent way. That is why the fusion of different species into one person didn't lead to an idea of multiculturalism and cooperation but to internal conflict.
It's the inherent violence of the method that made a peaceful coexistence of all these different species inside Krall's persona impossible.

In war, the only way for different species to deal with each other, was conflict. That's what Edison knew.
And through the use of that alien technology he again found a violent solution that shaped his new character.

I actually feel bad for Krall/Edison and I kinda wished he survived that way he could've returned to Human form and been able to see that the Federation ain't all that bad.
 
I actually feel bad for Krall/Edison and I kinda wished he survived that way he could've returned to Human form and been able to see that the Federation ain't all that bad.
The Best villains are the protagonists of their own stories... The fact that he elicited empathy from the audience, and maybe even some sympathy really kind of shows that he isn't the 2 dimensional revenge focused villain that is far to common in Trek, and summer popcorn flicks as a whole....
 
Why the Federation didn't need soldiers anymore is somethng I don't understand either. The Federation is constantly in conflict with one race ore the other. Which makes any claim that Starfleet is not a military organisation wishful thinking, to put it mildly.

The Federation does have soldiers, they're called the Starfleet Marine Corps (re: Star Trek VI).
 
The only thing I didn't quite get is how this fits in with Justin Lin and Simon Pegg wanting to show the ideals of the Federation being challenged.

Because he wasn't really an ideological opponent of Federation liberalism and secularism. Just a person unable to leave war behind. I guess that - forgiveness, moving on, making amends with your enemies, is part of the Federation ideal.

But I assumed in a real life analogy, with the current world situation, he would be challenged by someone who opposed the Federation's progressiveness, scientific approach, and replacement of cultural bigotry with voluntary union.
 
But I assumed in a real life analogy, with the current world situation, he would be challenged by someone who opposed the Federation's progressiveness, scientific approach, and replacement of cultural bigotry with voluntary union.

Someone like Kai Winn should be the next movie villain!
 
The only thing I didn't quite get is how this fits in with Justin Lin and Simon Pegg wanting to show the ideals of the Federation being challenged.

Because he wasn't really an ideological opponent of Federation liberalism and secularism. Just a person unable to leave war behind. I guess that - forgiveness, moving on, making amends with your enemies, is part of the Federation ideal.

But I assumed in a real life analogy, with the current world situation, he would be challenged by someone who opposed the Federation's progressiveness, scientific approach, and replacement of cultural bigotry with voluntary union.
While Krall had his own demons, he certainly went off on, the Federation a number of times.. The question is, what motivated that... His own personal demons or a principled opposition to the ideals of the UFP....

With all the ties back to Enterprise, I could see him being a follower of Paxton, who certainly would't have been in favor of what the Federation is, or what it represents...
 
I think Krall/Edison ranks among some of the great under-developed Trek antagonists. Both {Emilia} and mattman paraphrase many of my feelings, and possible wasted potential. Perhaps he may have worked better in a novel, or TV series format?. Or, if we're lucky, there's some great deleted Beyond scenes :)
 
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