Niether did I actaully it never really fit the backround of his character.
Christopher Eccleston's Reason for leaving
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Niether did I actaully it never really fit the backround of his character.
It fit the new background of the character; the shell-shocked, post-Time War Doctor with a survivor's guilt complex, who is healed by Rose and becomes himself again at the end, regenerating into a more "Doctorish" persona. His Doctor had the perfect self-contained arc.
Yeah the kind of life he said he never got to live in Father's Day.
.... huh? What does the middle-class life he says he'll never be able to live in "Father's Day" have to do with what David cgc said? You said that a working-class persona doesn't fit the Doctor's background, and David simply pointed out that his background is akin to a guy who hotwires a car and runs away -- thus implicitly arguing that a working-class persona is not inconsistent with the Doctor's background.
I don't think you understand, a car park at 2 in morning is the lifestyle of the working class. And originally he stole the TARDIS and paid for doing it but now we know that it was hte TARDIS who choose him. And no his backround isn't a person who hotwires cars and run away, that wasn't the reason he left Gallifrey. Of course the Time Lords didn't seem to care about him until he let them know where he was.
Time will tell. Show him a great script, I'm optimistic he'll strongly consider doing it.
You should see the amount of cars on my drive. Can't get out of the house for them.
I'm from the working class. Obviously I'm not arguing that.
But while not all working class people are car thieves, what's the percentage of car thieves who are middle class or above? I rather think it's implicit in the very definition of being a car thief that if you're doing it, you're probably doing it because you don't have a "legitimate" source of income.
(No, that doesn't mean that other classes don't have major problems with crime, too -- Enron, Bernie Madoff, and the large-scale theft that was financial speculation and the selling of bad loans that led to the economic melt-down proves this. But of course society treats that kind of white-color crime less seriously than it does typically blue-color crime like auto theft.)
Hmmm...I'd think your car thieves are coming from the "Non-Working" class, not the Working Class. Blue Collar workers work hard for what they have, and only have what they worked for. They don't go around stealing cars to round out their paychecks.
I'm from the working class. Obviously I'm not arguing that.
But while not all working class people are car thieves, what's the percentage of car thieves who are middle class or above? I rather think it's implicit in the very definition of being a car thief that if you're doing it, you're probably doing it because you don't have a "legitimate" source of income.
(No, that doesn't mean that other classes don't have major problems with crime, too -- Enron, Bernie Madoff, and the large-scale theft that was financial speculation and the selling of bad loans that led to the economic melt-down proves this. But of course society treats that kind of white-color crime less seriously than it does typically blue-color crime like auto theft.)
I'm from the working class. Obviously I'm not arguing that.
But while not all working class people are car thieves, what's the percentage of car thieves who are middle class or above? I rather think it's implicit in the very definition of being a car thief that if you're doing it, you're probably doing it because you don't have a "legitimate" source of income.
(No, that doesn't mean that other classes don't have major problems with crime, too -- Enron, Bernie Madoff, and the large-scale theft that was financial speculation and the selling of bad loans that led to the economic melt-down proves this. But of course society treats that kind of white-color crime less seriously than it does typically blue-color crime like auto theft.)
I bet Bernie MAdoff is serving longer than most car thieves will...
And you're assuming people nick cars because they make money on it, which is bullshit, most of the time, in the UK aqt least, it's purley about joy riding, and being poor is not an excuse. And that's spoken as someone who was born working class as well.
I'm from the working class. Obviously I'm not arguing that.
But while not all working class people are car thieves, what's the percentage of car thieves who are middle class or above? I rather think it's implicit in the very definition of being a car thief that if you're doing it, you're probably doing it because you don't have a "legitimate" source of income.
(No, that doesn't mean that other classes don't have major problems with crime, too -- Enron, Bernie Madoff, and the large-scale theft that was financial speculation and the selling of bad loans that led to the economic melt-down proves this. But of course society treats that kind of white-color crime less seriously than it does typically blue-color crime like auto theft.)
I bet Bernie MAdoff is serving longer than most car thieves will...
And you're assuming people nick cars because they make money on it, which is bullshit, most of the time, in the UK aqt least, it's purley about joy riding, and being poor is not an excuse. And that's spoken as someone who was born working class as well.
I would have to agree with you here. I suspect there may be an error in translation given that working class here and working class over the pond describe two different things. Anyway, I'm from a working class background and both my parents live in social/council housing and I've never stolen, nor considered stealing anything, let alone a bloody car!
It fit the new background of the character; the shell-shocked, post-Time War Doctor with a survivor's guilt complex, who is healed by Rose and becomes himself again at the end, regenerating into a more "Doctorish" persona. His Doctor had the perfect self-contained arc.
While I've wished we could have gotten more Eccleston, looking back on what we got, this description fits perfectly.
I'm not sure what definition of "working class" others using, but the one I'm familiar with uses it as a euphemism for "poor people" and everyone else living below the middle class, thieves and honest men both included.
Exactly. There's nothing about the Doctor's history that requires him to be from the upper class.
Exactly. There's nothing about the Doctor's history that requires him to be from the upper class.
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