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Bryan Fuller spills Disco info.

If people want to hate Starfleet Academy, I'd say wait until it comes out or at least until we see a trailer. Otherwise you're tipping your hand that you just plan to hate on stuff no matter what.
I've been hating on the idea of a Starfleet Academy show since its appearance in TNG. Since the '90s video game. Since I read about the script for Star Trek: The First Adventure. Since I suffered through Top Gun.

But I will still give it the same chance I gave Section 31.
 
There is no way that he isn't 90% in control, the chick he is working with as "co-showrunner" has done absolutely nothing of note and I have no idea how she got the job.

This is blatantly untrue. Noga Landau was a story editor on seasons 2-3 of Syfy's brilliant The Magicians (working alongside Henry Alonso Myers, who now showruns Strange New Worlds), and she was the co-developer and executive producer of The CW's Nancy Drew series and its shorter-lived Tom Swift spinoff, as well as writing the 2018 Netflix original movie Tau. So she has four years of showrunning experience on two series, and she has experience writing and producing SF/fantasy series focused on young people and on characters in an academic setting.

As for Kurtzman, it stands to reason that he'd take a hands-on role in the initial development and first season of the series, then step back in subsequent seasons. That's pretty standard practice for writer-producers whose companies produce multiple shows at once -- they take an active hand in getting a new show up and running, then leave it in trusted hands in its sophomore season and move on to the next show.
 
Since when has Strange New Worlds been “universally hated”?

Akiva Goldsman is in charge and Kurtzman is hands off.

He has got a single writing credit for the first episode (with THREE other writers). He hasn't been showrunner. He hasn't wrote any episodes. He hasn't directed a single episode.

Just like certain other shows that are mysteriously good.
 
This is blatantly untrue. Noga Landau was a story editor on seasons 2-3 of Syfy's brilliant The Magicians (working alongside Henry Alonso Myers, who now showruns Strange New Worlds), and she was the co-developer and executive producer of The CW's Nancy Drew series and its shorter-lived Tom Swift spinoff, as well as writing the 2018 Netflix original movie Tau. So she has four years of showrunning experience on two series, and she has experience writing and producing SF/fantasy series focused on young people and on characters in an academic setting.

As for Kurtzman, it stands to reason that he'd take a hands-on role in the initial development and first season of the series, then step back in subsequent seasons. That's pretty standard practice for writer-producers whose companies produce multiple shows at once -- they take an active hand in getting a new show up and running, then leave it in trusted hands in its sophomore season and move on to the next show.

You have just backed up exactly what I have said. She has minimal experience in science fiction, worked on mediocre TV shows that were cancelled due to low ratings and no buzz, she has no overlap with what a Trek show should be looking at.

We have done this before. With the same talent (I use that work loosely). We have been through this before. It is not going to magically work out again. I have no idea what the fuck a "Nancy Drew" is but it looks to me like a teen show that no one watched or cared about.

She will go with whatever Kurtzman wants to do and he might ask her "hey what do young children like".
 
Yes, we need more TV Trek that is universally hated that is so bad it tanks the franchise for over a decade. There are dozens of sci-fi writers, Trek alum that are far more talented than Transformers man.
I'm just really confused by the fact that your profile pic appears to come from a movie co-written by the guy you're bashing.

Not saying it's completely incongruous. Maybe you just love Chris Pine that much? Or maybe it's solely on the merit of Beyond? Just acknowledging that it's a surprising combination.
 
I'm just really confused by the fact that your profile pic appears to come from a movie co-written by the guy you're bashing.

Not saying it's completely incongruous. Maybe you just love Chris Pine that much? Or maybe it's solely on the merit of Beyond? Just acknowledging that it's a surprising combination.

JJ Abrams did a great job of making an action Star Trek movie that amplified the good elements of Star Trek into a big budget setting with a simple story that brought the wonder of Star Trek - bombastic soundtrack, big ships, a utopian Earth.

Into Darkness was a good movie that ultimately suffered from the terrible and nosensical final act. Kurzman had a lot more control and the movie ended with a fist fight of MR SPOCK violently beating up the big bad. I don't even hate Into Darkness, but you can see Kurtzman's fingerprints all over the worst aspects.

Then when they got rid of Kurtzman for Star Trek Beyond, with Star Trek fans in charge of the script and direction - we suddenly got the best of the three that felt like a big budget TOS episode with a good version of Captain Kirk.
 
I've been hating on the idea of a Starfleet Academy show since its appearance in TNG. Since the '90s video game. Since I read about the script for Star Trek: The First Adventure. Since I suffered through Top Gun.

But I will still give it the same chance I gave Section 31.
Yeah, that's fair. To clarify, I was referring more to people who basically claim to hate the execution ("It's gonna suck!!"), not people who don't think it's the best concept. I 100% respect the opinion you've stated.
 
JJ Abrams did a great job of making an action Star Trek movie that amplified the good elements of Star Trek into a big budget setting with a simple story that brought the wonder of Star Trek - bombastic soundtrack, big ships, a utopian Earth.

Into Darkness was a good movie that ultimately suffered from the terrible and nosensical final act. Kurzman had a lot more control and the movie ended with a fist fight of MR SPOCK violently beating up the big bad. I don't even hate Into Darkness, but you can see Kurtzman's fingerprints all over the worst aspects.

Then when they got rid of Kurtzman for Star Trek Beyond, with Star Trek fans in charge of the script and direction - we suddenly got the best of the three that felt like a big budget TOS episode with a good version of Captain Kirk.
I can quibble with the Kurtzman-specific comments here, but I'll agree with your overall assessments of those three films. Thank you for taking my question in the spirit in which it was intended.
 
You have just backed up exactly what I have said. She has minimal experience in science fiction, worked on mediocre TV shows that were cancelled due to low ratings and no buzz, she has no overlap with what a Trek show should be looking at.
He gave you her background in TV production. That's the gig. Producing a TV show. "The Magicians" was also the show that gave us Henry Alonzo Meyer, the guy who does a lot of
heavy lifting" on Strange New Worlds. It ran five seasons and was based on a series of fantasy novels Once again experience in SF in not a requirement to run a Star Trek show.
We have done this before. With the same talent (I use that work loosely). We have been through this before. It is not going to magically work out again. I have no idea what the fuck a "Nancy Drew" is but it looks to me like a teen show that no one watched or cared about.

She will go with whatever Kurtzman wants to do and he might ask her "hey what do young children like".
Nancy Drew is a long running franchise in prose and on screen. The last iteration was not aimed "young children".
 
They actually had interesting and relevant commentary in Into Darkness before they hit the "I AM KHAN" part, between drone warfare, the clear theme of the dangers of blowback and militarization that utlimately ends with a devastating 9/11 style attack on San Francisco.

However from what I understand and remember that was mostly Bob Orci. And all of that was undone by the fact they decided the alternative of going to Qonos was better where they end up killing a bunch of Klingons instead.
 
You have just backed up exactly what I have said. She has minimal experience in science fiction, worked on mediocre TV shows that were cancelled due to low ratings and no buzz, she has no overlap with what a Trek show should be looking at.

The Magicians was a brilliant show that ran for five seasons and was critically acclaimed. Nancy Drew, while not to my personal tastes, ran for four seasons, making it more successful than the vast majority of television series.

And prior experience with producing science fiction is not necessary, because writers can adapt to new subject matters. Michael Piller started out on Simon & Simon and Miami Vice, and only produced two short-lived science fiction flops before he got the showrunner gig on TNG and became its most acclaimed writer-producer. Ira Steven Behr's only significant producing credit before Trek was Fame. And while we're at it, Star Trek was Gene Roddenberry's first science fiction series, after a career working mainly on Westerns and cop shows, with his only previous showrunner gig being the Marine Corps drama The Lieutenant. Noga Landau has considerably more showrunning experience today than Roddenberry had in 1966.


The main thing Kurtzman isn't involved, so Strange New Worlds - even if it is hit and miss - can at least escape his nonsense.

Of course Kurtzman's involved. He's the big boss, so he has the final say on every script and every creative decision, even if he's not the day-to-day showrunner. This isn't a matter of binaries, either someone's involved or they aren't. It's a team effort and everyone on the team is a contributor, even if some are more involved than others.
 
The Magicians was a brilliant show that ran for five seasons and was critically acclaimed. Nancy Drew, while not to my personal tastes, ran for four seasons, making it more successful than the vast majority of television series.

And prior experience with producing science fiction is not necessary, because writers can adapt to new subject matters. Michael Piller started out on Simon & Simon and Miami Vice, and only produced two short-lived science fiction flops before he got the showrunner gig on TNG and became its most acclaimed writer-producer. Ira Steven Behr's only significant producing credit before Trek was Fame. And while we're at it, Star Trek was Gene Roddenberry's first science fiction series, after a career working mainly on Westerns and cop shows, with his only previous showrunner gig being the Marine Corps drama The Lieutenant. Noga Landau has considerably more showrunning experience today than Roddenberry had in 1966.




Of course Kurtzman's involved. He's the big boss, so he has the final say on every script and every creative decision, even if he's not the day-to-day showrunner. This isn't a matter of binaries, either someone's involved or they aren't. It's a team effort and everyone on the team is a contributor, even if some are more involved than others.

Let me rephrase. Kurtzman isn't involved on any meaningful level to effect the creative process.

He can, of course, delay the show by almost two or three years so he can redirect the budget to Section 31 and Starfleet Academy.
 
saw the Fuller bit posted elsewhere so I’m just catching up here.

Would be funny after all this time to find out that a lot of what Fuller was doing design wise was actually close to faithful to TOS, trying to give us something close to visual continuity.

Also I’m gonna guess Andersons “Captain” was either an early version of Lorca or was changed into Admiral Cornwall.
 
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