As is 'The Girl In Question' 
Angel - (My) First Impressions
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As is 'The Girl In Question'
Yeah.......other than a couple of nice lines I really hate that episode. It's the only one post-Lineage in Season 5 that I can't stand.
"The Girl In Question" was horrible. Even the combined antics of Spike and Angel in "buddy cop" mode again couldn't save that one.
I too am a Girl In Question naysayer. It was corny, caricature-stuffed nonsense in terms of its execution. The Spike/Angel interplay was one of the few things that saved it from outright putridness, in my opinion.
I heard "The Girl In Question" sort of has a Buffy sighting. Not really, since Sarah Michelle Gellar isn't actually going to appear on the show again. I'm guessing it'll be something like her 'cameo' in "Soul Purpose". That reminds me, I forgot to mention how much I liked that. I thought it was clever how they just looped lines from old "Buffy: The Vampire Slayer" episodes while Spike had sex with a body double next to Angel. "You're taking Buffy to the prom? I thought we...". 
So I saw "You're Welcome" and "Why We Fight". Not much to say about "Why We Fight". One of the weaker standalone episodes I've seen, with one of the most dull one shot characters ever. I didn't care about him at all. For once, the one saving grace of an episode was Spike's wisecracks.
As for "You're Welcome" I wasn't too thrilled about my least favourite character Cordelia coming back (I assume that's why people thought I wouldn't like the episode), but she was less annoying than usual, and I liked the episode overall. Cordelia was not only less grating and better looking than in other episodes, she got to rattle off a funny action hero one-liner in "I know my rights and I want to see a lawyer!" as she grabs a bigass sword to do battle with Lindsey.
As usual, though, all the stuff with her that was supposed to be moving didn't phase me. Her tearful goodbye and last kiss with Angel were very 'meh' for me. I was just glad the writers wrote her off the show. As I said last time they did, good riddance. I've been wanting to say (but kept forgetting to) that I really didn't miss her and hoped she'd stay in the coma for good. I had a feeling once she woke up that she wouldn't be around for long, and I'm glad I was right. Now that they've tied up all loose ends with her, I happily bid that character farewell.
It was very cool to see Lindsey back more tough and confident than ever. The conclusion to his fight with Angel was a bit disappointing, though. I really didn't think that Lindsey would beat the hell out of Angel only to get his ass handed to him AGAIN. I really thought he would have some kind of triumph this time. What is this, a running gag? No matter what he does, Angel always gets to mock him and kick his ass throughly in the end? While I'm glad to see Cordelia go, I want more Lindsey and Eve. I don't want their exits in "You're Welcome" to their last hurrahs.
I can feel the end coming soon. I'm a little sad about that, as watching and discussing the series has quite consistently been a blast (except that wretched period in season 4), but I'm excited to see how it all wraps up.
Next up is "Smile Time", an episode I actually watched years ago before I knew anything about this series. Once I heard about the wild premise and how excited fans of the show were about it, I was so curious that I simply HAD to see it for myself. I enjoyed it the first time, but I bet it'll be even more fun this time, now that I'm familiar with the characters and world of the show.
As for "You're Welcome" I wasn't too thrilled about my least favourite character Cordelia coming back (I assume that's why people thought I wouldn't like the episode), but she was less annoying than usual, and I liked the episode overall. Cordelia was not only less grating and better looking than in other episodes, she got to rattle off a funny action hero one-liner in "I know my rights and I want to see a lawyer!" as she grabs a bigass sword to do battle with Lindsey.
As usual, though, all the stuff with her that was supposed to be moving didn't phase me. Her tearful goodbye and last kiss with Angel were very 'meh' for me. I was just glad the writers wrote her off the show. As I said last time they did, good riddance. I've been wanting to say (but kept forgetting to) that I really didn't miss her and hoped she'd stay in the coma for good. I had a feeling once she woke up that she wouldn't be around for long, and I'm glad I was right. Now that they've tied up all loose ends with her, I happily bid that character farewell.
It was very cool to see Lindsey back more tough and confident than ever. The conclusion to his fight with Angel was a bit disappointing, though. I really didn't think that Lindsey would beat the hell out of Angel only to get his ass handed to him AGAIN. I really thought he would have some kind of triumph this time. What is this, a running gag? No matter what he does, Angel always gets to mock him and kick his ass throughly in the end? While I'm glad to see Cordelia go, I want more Lindsey and Eve. I don't want their exits in "You're Welcome" to their last hurrahs.
I can feel the end coming soon. I'm a little sad about that, as watching and discussing the series has quite consistently been a blast (except that wretched period in season 4), but I'm excited to see how it all wraps up.
Next up is "Smile Time", an episode I actually watched years ago before I knew anything about this series. Once I heard about the wild premise and how excited fans of the show were about it, I was so curious that I simply HAD to see it for myself. I enjoyed it the first time, but I bet it'll be even more fun this time, now that I'm familiar with the characters and world of the show.
My single favorite line from "You're Welcome" is when they're interrogating Eve and asking about Doyle. Cordelia's reaction still sends chills even though I've seen it a bunch of times.
"I want to know who has the nerve to be using that name!"
I love it.
That said, while you might feel the show is wrapping up, there are still some pretty radical things left to happen. And don't worry. You haven't seen the last of your favorite cowboy.
"I want to know who has the nerve to be using that name!"
I love it.
That said, while you might feel the show is wrapping up, there are still some pretty radical things left to happen. And don't worry. You haven't seen the last of your favorite cowboy.
Thanks Rojo, and yeah I can't believe I forgot to mention this and I'm grateful to you for reminding me...the Doyle stuff REALLY disturbed me. I heard some of the cast was uncomfortable with his name being used that way (not just as their characters, but in real life) due to the tragedy of Glenn Quinn's premature death.
I could understand the cast's discomfort and it did seem a bit in a bad taste, but I can't deny it was really good for the characters. As you pointed out, it lead to that very powerful moment for Cordelia (one of the few things she said that got to me emotionally) and was an excellent choice for the character of Lindsey - it really cemented him as an unbelievably shameless asshole.
I could understand the cast's discomfort and it did seem a bit in a bad taste, but I can't deny it was really good for the characters. As you pointed out, it lead to that very powerful moment for Cordelia (one of the few things she said that got to me emotionally) and was an excellent choice for the character of Lindsey - it really cemented him as an unbelievably shameless asshole.
Interesting bit of trivia on "You're Welcome" - David Boreanaz, Charisma Carpenter, and Christian Kane are the only three actors to have appeared in that 100th episode as well as the first episode of the series.
"Why We Fight" was a pretty forgettable episode overall, though it at least had the interesting notion that a vampire sired by an ensouled vampire might actually keep a bit of a soul.
"Smile Time" is fun as hell.
Now that you've reached Lindsey's "master plan," I'd like to elaborate a bit on the closing comment I made in this previous post:
Ah, for those days of crazy speculation fueled by bits and pieces of supposed information leaking out of Mutant Enemy... I still remember the feeding frenzy over the idea that Spike would be a male Slayer after he came back from his death in "Chosen."
"Why We Fight" was a pretty forgettable episode overall, though it at least had the interesting notion that a vampire sired by an ensouled vampire might actually keep a bit of a soul.
"Smile Time" is fun as hell.
Now that you've reached Lindsey's "master plan," I'd like to elaborate a bit on the closing comment I made in this previous post:
I think it would have been more interesting from a story-telling point of view for the Spike / "Doyle" storyline to play out as what Spike thought it was: Lindsey, armed with visions from The Powers That Be, aiding Spike as the new Champion. Such a storyline could have brought redemption to Lindsey, continued exploring an interesting avenue for Spike, and set the two of them against Angel and W&H, with Angel having genuinely lost his way and "eaten up" by the corporate world of W&H. In my little idea, the Powers would have abandoned Angel and backed Spike & Lindsey as the only people who could bring Angel back to their side by the end of the season for generally the same set of events that you're barreling towards.
Ah, for those days of crazy speculation fueled by bits and pieces of supposed information leaking out of Mutant Enemy... I still remember the feeding frenzy over the idea that Spike would be a male Slayer after he came back from his death in "Chosen."
What was really amazing to me when watching "You're Welcome" was how much I still really cared about Doyle. This is a character that had only been in the show for half a season. He hadn't been in the show for 4 full years, and when this episode came around, I felt just as pissed as Angel and Cordelia did when they found out. It's awesome that a character like Doyle had that big of an impact in such a short time.
Also, YAY! ANDREW WELLS SHOWED UP!I cheered when I saw him. So happy to see him again, endearingly overconfident as always, yet surprisingly articulate, levelheaded, and respectable at the end. My only gripes about him were that his hair was too long (I feel like an airhead just typing that, but I gotta be honest) and his "Lord of the Rings" references were a bit grating. Neither of those quibbles are a big deal, though. Overall, he was delightful as always. He was one of the few highlights of the later seasons of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" for me, and I'm so glad no one spoiled the surprise of him appearing on "Angel" for me.
Ugh. Maybe it's because I haven't seen Buffy and still less than half of Angel, but I despised Andrew and the ending of "Damage" in general. I was pissed as hell at Buffy and the new Slayers or whoever stepping in at the end like that and acting all holy and mighty. Especially after they apparently caused the entire mess in the first place! If they're really oh-so-concerned, how about, y'know, saying something or maybe dealing with rogue psycho Slayer themselves instead of sending this guy in as a spy and waltzing off with their "prize" after letting Angel and co. do the heavy lifting. But no, instead they send this twit instead of Buffy, or Willow, or Xander, or Michelle Tranchtenberg (Dawn?) and stab Angel's gang in the back.
I think I can see where you're coming from with that. I don't know what the hell I would think of Andrew swooping in like that if I hadn't developed a hell of a lot of affection for him from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer". I was already biased enough to be cool with pretty much anything he'd do based on that residual affection. He is a twit, but for me at least, he's an endearing twit. 
And to make a more logical defense, is it not understandable how Angel's association with Wolfram & Hart would make Andrew and company less trusting of him? I get why they'd be afraid he and his crew may be ill-equipped to deal with a slayer due to Wolfram & Hart's shady reputation.
And to make a more logical defense, is it not understandable how Angel's association with Wolfram & Hart would make Andrew and company less trusting of him? I get why they'd be afraid he and his crew may be ill-equipped to deal with a slayer due to Wolfram & Hart's shady reputation.
It's a good episode for snappy one-liners. My favourite is (Cordelia to Lindsey) "Dinner and a show - and you're both".
In regards to Lindsey and Eve. I got bad news, and I got bad news.
I think I can see where you're coming from with that. I don't know what the hell I would think of Andrew swooping in like that if I hadn't developed a hell of a lot of affection for him from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer". I was already biased enough to be cool with pretty much anything he'd do based on that residual affection. He is a twit, but for me at least, he's an endearing twit.
Fair enough. I should admit I found him endearing too in a "this guy's rather useless but fun" way until the ending.
Sure it's understandable that they'd (the Scoobies, yes?) be concerned. But if that's the case, why not send Buffy, Xander, Willow, or Dawn, or why not run the capture operation themselves instead of working with Angel and co. until they've got psychotic rogue Slayer captured and then stab him and his people in the back? As it is, it looks like Buffy and gang were just using Angel's people to do their dirty work (seriously, considering the heavy hitters are two vampires to go after a vampire slayer) and then coming in to take all the credit. They've got this army of Slayers to threaten the Fang Gang with - how about putting them to a more legitimate use if you can't trust Angel?
Maybe I'm making too much out of this?
I think I can see where you're coming from with that. I don't know what the hell I would think of Andrew swooping in like that if I hadn't developed a hell of a lot of affection for him from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer". I was already biased enough to be cool with pretty much anything he'd do based on that residual affection. He is a twit, but for me at least, he's an endearing twit.
Fair enough. I should admit I found him endearing too in a "this guy's rather useless but fun" way until the ending.
Sure it's understandable that they'd (the Scoobies, yes?) be concerned. But if that's the case, why not send Buffy, Xander, Willow, or Dawn, or why not run the capture operation themselves instead of working with Angel and co. until they've got psychotic rogue Slayer captured and then stab him and his people in the back? As it is, it looks like Buffy and gang were just using Angel's people to do their dirty work (seriously, considering the heavy hitters are two vampires to go after a vampire slayer) and then coming in to take all the credit. They've got this army of Slayers to threaten the Fang Gang with - how about putting them to a more legitimate use if you can't trust Angel?
Maybe I'm making too much out of this?
Maybe the rest of the Scoobs are busy doing somethine else?
They are. While Angel Season 5 was going on, the Scoobies were off doing their Season 8 comic book stuff. They had other things on their plates.
Not strictly true, since Bs8 is set after As5 is finished. Which is not really the point, I know, but still.
Also, the word in this case is faze, not phase.
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