Andoria or Andor?
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Or then Andor is the world and Andoria is the reign with Andor as its capital world. That's how such formulations tend to go here on Earth - the "ia" ending in a fashion turns the proper name into a descriptive term.
Similarly, Vulcan would be the capital world of Vulcania, and Talax the capital world of Talaxia. And people talking about the vast political and military realm of the antenna-headed blueskins would use Andoria when being formally correct, but Andor when not, just like people say "Washington" when meaning the United States or "Berlin" when meaning the Third Reich.
The nice thing about this is that we know for a fact that Vulcan and Andor were colonial powers once, and may have continued to be so in the TOS and TNG eras as well. Talax ruled supreme over at least two major inhabited worlds, and we later saw how cosmopolitan the Talaxians themselves were (and how they had apparently gotten themselves mixed up in an interstellar war, probably telling of their interstellar ambitions).
Timo Saloniemi
Similarly, Vulcan would be the capital world of Vulcania, and Talax the capital world of Talaxia. And people talking about the vast political and military realm of the antenna-headed blueskins would use Andoria when being formally correct, but Andor when not, just like people say "Washington" when meaning the United States or "Berlin" when meaning the Third Reich.
The nice thing about this is that we know for a fact that Vulcan and Andor were colonial powers once, and may have continued to be so in the TOS and TNG eras as well. Talax ruled supreme over at least two major inhabited worlds, and we later saw how cosmopolitan the Talaxians themselves were (and how they had apparently gotten themselves mixed up in an interstellar war, probably telling of their interstellar ambitions).
Timo Saloniemi
Funny enough, the Star Trek: Star Charts book lists Andor as the capital city of Andoria.
Memory Alpha is silly with its Andor article. Like we don't know it's supposed to be a synonym/the gas giant, or have to pretend we don't know what an "Andor" is just because it's never explicitly stated, even though it was the production intent even before ENT that it was the Andorian home. It's frankly the most and only annoying thing on the whole site.
The people behind it in production did it like that. Andor was meant to be the gas giant, and Andoria the moon on which they lived. It wasn't after the fact, as far as I know, but beforehand.
The people behind it in production did it like that. Andor was meant to be the gas giant, and Andoria the moon on which they lived. It wasn't after the fact, as far as I know, but beforehand.
'only'? surely you jest.
There are professionals who can help you with this hearing plenty of voices in your head issue.
Now in the real world people did not give a shit about whether it is called Andor or Andoria and were just glad that Berman brought back the Andorians. ENT had a lot of mediocre episodes but all episodes with the Andorians in them were either good or superb. In the real world good writing and not of reading plenty of bad fan fiction leads to good scripts.
DS9 used both Andoria and Andor so blame goes to Behr/Moore et al.
And we have the precedent of Vulcan vs. Vulcania, so we shouldn't be too surprised here.
What other "arias" are there in onscreen Trek? Did we ever get Tellar vs. Tellaria? Or perhaps Berengar vs. Berengaria? Vulcan/ia and Andor/ia are the two typically quoted examples, with Talax/ia added by those who can stomach That Other Show.
Timo Saloniemi
What other "arias" are there in onscreen Trek? Did we ever get Tellar vs. Tellaria? Or perhaps Berengar vs. Berengaria? Vulcan/ia and Andor/ia are the two typically quoted examples, with Talax/ia added by those who can stomach That Other Show.
Timo Saloniemi
I haven't read any of it either.
As an Andorian myself, may I chime in?
Until that fateful episode of DS9, where it's first canonized as "Andoria", it was completely open to interpretation. Yes, I was a bit surprised the DS9 writers went with "Andoria", but if they'd never read fanfic, nor the "Starfleet Medical Reference Manual" (the first licensed product to link Andorians and Andor with Epsilon Indi VIII, from Franz Joseph's "Technical Manual", and followed up by "Star Trek Maps"), how would they know, or be expected to know?
The very next mention of the world was "Andor", spoken by Vedek Winn in DS9. I figured they might even have had her say that as a result of angry viewers' letters re the first usage. Next time, it was back to "Andoria".
Since then, there have been rationalizations from "Star Trek Star Charts" (Andor/Andoria = capital/planet), that author's suggestion of the gas giant actually being Procyon VIII (Alpha Canis Minoris), and then the writers of the episode of ENT speculating Andor/Andoria = gas giant/moon.
After Terra, Sol III and Earth, and hundreds of other countries names for Earth, does it really matter?
I guess it might matter to the Andorians themselves. I mean, see how much bad rap ol' GW Bush got for using "Paki" instead of "Pakistani" - making the wrong choice between two made-up words in a language foreign to the actual inhabitants of the nation. For all we know, "Andor" in the Trek universe is used solely in the derogatory sense, being a word reserved for describing the dirt beneath the feet of the Andorians.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
I'm sorry I upset your delicate sensibilites with my frustration at the crappy attitude of the crappy producer of a crappy show.
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