• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Aliens: Star Trek vs Star Wars

Sibyl

Caffeine Pill Popper
Rear Admiral
I know the main driving force behind the forehead- or nose-of-the-week was driven by budget concerns, but would you rather have had Michael Westmore put a little more imagination into his alien designs?

Maybe not imagination, but I wish the aliens had been a little more...alien, as in Star Wars.

That said, I know a lot of people consider Star Wars aliens to be cartoony, but I grew up with them, and they're kinda the gold-standard in my book.
 
Is it just me or was TOS better with aliens in a way? I think they did more to suggest more non-humanoids with numerous energy beings and insanely different Medusans and non-humanoid Kelvans and so on. When they showed a gathering of Federation members, they really went nuts for the time, creating entomoid Andorians, porcine Tellarites, those short gold aliens and I think some tall ones too. They used regular human-looking actors the rest of the time almost abstractly, because we all knew they couldn't afford more -- see also Klingons.

Later series I think were spoiled by the fantastic advances in latex, and just flooded the entire galaxy with assembly-line humanoids, often bland, often different but forgettable.

I'd love for Trek to have been able to try to do more, like Star Wars, or Farscape, or even Babylon 5, with their various aliens.
 
Yeah, my criticism is aimed more at later incarnations of Trek. TOS was better about it in many cases (then again, slap a horn on a small dog and it's an alien is a stretch...).
 
I think when CGI became affordable to do on a TV budget, we started getting some really diverse aliens. I know opinion will be divided but I loved what Enterprise did with the Gorn (but then I also liked the diverse range of sub-species of the Gorn that showed up in the Star Trek game of 2012).

And then I think of Species 8472 and the macrovirus off the top of my head. The only real trouble is they suffer a little from having nothing behind the eyes. Something I noticed from the various creatures in the Star Wars prequels (think the creatures in the Geonosis arena). There's something to be said for having real people behind prosthetics though so you can see the emotion.

I'm really loving how 'alien' some of the aliens in the Kelvin movies are as well. Even the humanoid ones look amazing - Keenser, 0718, Kalara, Syl, etc.
 
I think what bugs me the most about the Westmore aliens is how goofy proportioned they tend to be. So many times we see creatures with elaborate and impractical looking heads (from the make-up department) and skinny wimpy looking normal human bodies (from the costume department). The two so often seem mismatched.

A great example is the Hirogen. These guys show up and are huge. Not only enormously tall, but big and bulky bodies to match their heads. Then they dress up as Nazis and they're skinny little guys with big heads.

I feel that Star Wars aliens from the prequels are actually one of the few areas where the PT surpasses the OT. There's some great stuff in the classic trilogy, don't get me wrong, but one thing they lacked in good old days was Terryl Whitlatch. She was the creature designer for the prequels (At least for Episode I, I think on the others also, but I don't recall for sure.) Her whole process is about studying real animals and imagining fantasy animals which are constrained by the same evolutionary logic that drive real life creature design. This is where Trek aliens (especially the Westmore creatures) fall flat for me. So often, they have all these strange features which don't seem to serve any biomechanical purpose, and often seem to get in the way of practical living. Like some random alien whose nose is attached to his chin and you have to wonder how does this guy eat with the fleshy protuberance blocking their mouths?

That said, I think the creature design is about the one area where the Kelvin-timeline movies really do shine.

--Alex
 
Iv'e always liked the designs for the Twileks, Rodians and other Star Wars species. I think it easily beats Trek in alien designs.
 
Aliens from Star Wars, Farscape and even Babylon 5 did tend to show more imagination than the typical Trek rubber forehead alien-of-the-week variety.
 
The thing about a lot of the Star Wars aliens is they look great for a scene they don't have to move around or emote much. To give them full mobility you need CGI and it doesn't look quite real yet.
 
You're right. At the time, yes. Makeup effects and CG have come a long way since. I agree they weren't as advanced in TNG time.
 
Star Wars' aliens are almost all bipeds, save for a few species like the Hutts. They're bipeds that are blue with tentacles, or bipeds that look like frogs, or bipeds with fur who go 'Wrrrrraaaggghh" a lot, or are notoriously astute at spotting traps. Star Trek has the Borg, a machine intelligence -- the Horta...there are celestial beings of all kinds, there are space whales. Star Wars may have visual variety, but Star Trek has aliens (occasionally) that are genuinely different.
 
One thing that Star Wars does better is have aliens in the background, so that the galaxy looks to be a densely populated place. Trek annoys me with some of their aliens wherein the brief was to keep females "pretty"--which is why Trills now have spots and species that just had a one time appearance when played by a female actor was pretty much just something on the forehead and little else.

I'd love to see some FarScape-esque aliens introduced, where puppets are written and performed so well that you forget they're not alive--often a damn sight more entertaining to watch than the likes of Chakotay or Kim.
 
Yes, probably most of the aliens in Star Wars had more variety and personality, but TOS, DS9, and the Klingons and Romulans from TNG were good.

Hopefully, Star Trek: Discovery will make a good spin on things.... :shrug:
 
Chewbacca is a great example of a fairly simply alien costume that works very well, is fairly believable. and allows for a lot of personality.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top