Yeah but wtf does it all mean? Heavy on the
factor but still seems like the answer is just out of reach.
"Ab Aeterno" Live Commentary
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Yeah but wtf does it all mean? Heavy on the
factor but still seems like the answer is just out of reach.
I thought the cork was going to slide out...
"'Night Ralph"
"'Night Sam"
These two are like Sam the Coyote and Ralph the Sheepdog...
"'Night Ralph"
"'Night Sam"
MiB let the wine/darkness out! (well smashed out)
Yeah, that was interesting.
Glad I'm caught up now. I've missed the commentaries!
I was a little disappointed with the first 45 minutes but the last 15 were excellent. Just a terrific sequence that actually explained stuff.
Great ending, but the rest was average at best. The tagline is "Only 7 episodes until the finale" ... and honestly, I'd rather just skip to the finale if the next seven are the same quality as this one.
Yeah but wtf does it all mean? Heavy on the
Think on it a while...it'll come to you.
We know what the island is. We know Jacob's/MiB's role on it. And we know the losties role.
Eff if I know what it all means. I guess the best info we got is the notion that Jacob thinks he's keeping evil at bay by keeping MiB on The Island. Even though our modern world is pretty effed up as it is. Aside from that ... it seemed like a really drawn out explanation of why Richard is the way he is.
Yeah but wtf does it all mean? Heavy on the
The final scene between Richard, Hurley and Richard's wife was fantastic -- very touching -- but aside from that, the episode seemed very ... clinical.
Checkmate
Commodore
But none of it makes any sense, or explains any of the actual facts we know about the island. Why does the island need to have the ability to move? Why did someone build a wooden wheel to move it? What is Smokey? Why is he imprisoned? Why is Jacob there to stop him if it's the island that's doing the stopping? Why does the island need any mojo itself if it's actually Jacob doing the stopping? etc.
The only explanation we got is an explanation for something that's come up in the last season or two. Not the series as a whole. Little if any of it actually clicks with everything else.
Really? I have watched season one several times, but not recently (two/three years ago), but I am still not anxious to see it again, as I almost know any episode by heart.
Can you please point some foreshadowing out for me, so I know what is missing in my swiss cheese head?
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Stone_Cold_Sisko
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I have to say the extra few minutes of this episode added a lot. By the time it ended, i felt like i'd watched one epic spanning story. They fit a lot into his backstory.
This is pretty much my reaction as well. There are so many aspects of the show that just don't seem to fit in with the story being told in the final season.
Does the behavior of the smoke monster really make sense now that we know what it is? It certainly doesn't seem to be a security system to protect the temple, as we've learned the temple was protecting those inside (but somehow smoky could still go below the temple).
What about smokey judging people? After the Black Rock "landed" it swooped in and killed all but one. After 815 crashed it just made loud noise in the jungle and made no attempt to attack the survivors on the beach. Why did it not kill Locke or Richard?
Why did the MIB black wait so long after 815 crashed to make a move and try to get someone to kill Jacob? After the Black Rock crashed he acted swiftly.
Then there's the whole thing about Jacob letting himself get killed so easily. If the MIB is truly dangerous and Jacob is needed to contain him, why would he let himself get killed without a replacement in place? Who now decides on Jacob's successor, and how would said person actual function as the island's protector? Why leave a gap which apparently allows the MIB to escape if he can manage it.
Which in turn leads me to The Swan. Apparently it truly was important to press the button to prevent something B.A.D. from happening, yet it was entrusted to one man, and ultimately all he really had to do was just initiate the failsafe as that seems to have solved the problem. And how did Desmond survive the purge, and why did the Others leave him there, and who could possibly be dropping food on The Swan?
It's sad that Lost appears to be collapsing under the weight of its own mythology. An unsolved mystery here and there is fine, but there are dozens and dozens of things that just don't fit together.
Some interesting points, I myself feel quite confused by all that is happening on Lost, as those first seasons seem so disconnected from the last ones.
And Desmond wasn't there during the "purge", which happened around 1988 (there is some confusion, if it was before or after), Desmond arrived on the island 2000 or 2001.
You've summed up my thoughts very well. I don't doubt that going back to season 1, they did have some idea of what this all is in general, but the trouble is, this is the 6th season and a lot of stuff has changed in between to the point where it really doesn’t make a lot of sense.
So this story is about Jacob vs. MIB (Good vs. Evil if you will). And how long did it take to get us to that point? We didn't even see Jacob and the MIB until the final episode of the 5th season. So 5 seasons to even get to the point of the story. Seriously guys?
And everyone is having orgasms over Richard's back-story. Yes, it was interesting, and yes Nestor Carbonell (sp?) did one hell of an acting job. But in the end, so what? It really doesn't have THAT much to do with the story. It's an interesting sideline, but could just have easily been left out. But that should be no surprise to anyone. We wouldn't even be seeing Richard if Nestor's series Cane on CBS had taken off.
I've totally enjoyed the ride. And it's still not over. Of course there are elements that were brought in to side track and mislead us. It's a great story.
Checkmate
Commodore
Sidetrack and mislead us? XD
It's more like they decided to tell a completely different story half way through the series. Hence the gross and drastic changes to the Others, Smokey, and the Dharma Initiative, and the recent focus on Jacob and Smokey in the last one and a half seasons.
Despite there being some overlap, we're only going to get the answers to the new story, not the one that was originally being told.
Heck, Richard's story didn't really add much to what everyone already knew/suspected. It was more of a confirmation story. What did we learn? Richard was a slave on the Black Rock? Already knew that. That he had some history with Smokey in addition to being Jacob's lap dog? Already knew that. That his duty on the island was to be an advisor? Already knew that. The only new stuff was motivational or explanatory, but none of it had anything to do with the bigger picture of what the island really is (again, we were just told what we already knew) or who or what Jacob and Smokey are.
It was a fun ride to nowhere.
And no Batmanuelmobile to be found
It's more like they decided to tell a completely different story half way through the series. Hence the gross and drastic changes to the Others, Smokey, and the Dharma Initiative, and the recent focus on Jacob and Smokey in the last one and a half seasons.
Despite there being some overlap, we're only going to get the answers to the new story, not the one that was originally being told.
Heck, Richard's story didn't really add much to what everyone already knew/suspected. It was more of a confirmation story. What did we learn? Richard was a slave on the Black Rock? Already knew that. That he had some history with Smokey in addition to being Jacob's lap dog? Already knew that. That his duty on the island was to be an advisor? Already knew that. The only new stuff was motivational or explanatory, but none of it had anything to do with the bigger picture of what the island really is (again, we were just told what we already knew) or who or what Jacob and Smokey are.
It was a fun ride to nowhere.
And no Batmanuelmobile to be found
Am I the only one to think that the reason Richard asked to live so long was so that he could do penance? The priest said that he could not absolve Richard of his sin because Richard was to be hanged the next day--not enough time to do penance. Since Jacob couldn't absolve him, Richard wanted to keep living so he wouldn't go to hell when he died--and never see Isabella again.
Then Hurley tells him that Isabella IS with him and that, basically, his penance is to kill the MiB--or at least keep him from escaping. So I figure Richard will die before the end of this. Hopefully, we'll see him with Isabella.
Then Hurley tells him that Isabella IS with him and that, basically, his penance is to kill the MiB--or at least keep him from escaping. So I figure Richard will die before the end of this. Hopefully, we'll see him with Isabella.
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