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New Ms. Marvel

I agree that she'll be lucky to get 12 issues, but not for the reasons you cite.

Also, we are already talking about this in the Marvel thread.
 
I wonder if it will touch upon arranged marriage?

Would her super powers make more or less desirable as the families are haggling about her dowry?
 
Turtletrekker said:
I agree that she'll be lucky to get 12 issues, but not for the reasons you cite.
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Agreed. In fact, I'll say that people like Beaker are one of the most prominent reasons groundbreaking characters have such difficult publishing histories.

Feminist title "Ms"? Dude.
 
iguana_tonante said:
In fact, I'll say that people like Beaker are one of the most prominent reasons groundbreaking characters have such difficult publishing histories.
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Ace, you don't know me, so back the fuck up. There is nothing "groundbreaking" about a Muslim character. I DO object to superficially having her be Muslim without at all broaching all that entails, yes, which is something you should have gleaned from my original post. I'm all for groundbreaking. Randomly deciding a character is now gay, or black, or handicapped is not groundbreaking. How about dipping a little bit into what that identity actually means?

iguana_tonante said:
Feminist title "Ms"? Dude.
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ummm.... yes? Do you have any idea what that term was all about? Just WHY the very concept of "Ms." Marvel was so revolutionary at the time?
 
The article say the character admires Carol Danvers and that's why she takes the name. The feminist origins of the term aren't really relevant to her taking the name and neither are any ties she might have to conservative Islam. The picture of the character shows a woman is less than modest garb ( by fundamentalist Muslim standards ) so I doubt the character is in the chador/hijab camp.
 
A beaker full of death said:
Ace, you don't know me, so back the fuck up.
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I know you, well, enough. Ace. :lol:

A beaker full of death said:
I DO object to superficially having her be Muslim without at all broaching all that entails
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What does it entail? She believes in god and calls it Allah. Big deal.

A beaker full of death said:
Randomly deciding a character is now gay, or black, or handicapped is not groundbreaking. How about dipping a little bit into what that identity actually means?
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It doesn't need to mean anything. It can mean something, but it needn't to. People are randomly gay, black, handicapped, or god-forbid Muslim. They are not some kind of issues-oriented Other. Just, you know, people. It's not like they a reason not to conform to 50s' white American eteronormative standards, right? Or they do?

Feminist title "Ms"? Dude.
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ummm.... yes? Do you have any idea what that term was all about?
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Pretty much. It was revolutionary. In the 50s. How about you join us in the new century?
 
iguana_tonante said:
It doesn't need to mean anything. It can mean something, but it needn't to. People are randomly gay, black, handicapped, or god-forbid Muslim. They are not some kind of issues-oriented Other. Just, you know, people. It's not like they a reason not to conform to 50s' white American eteronormative standards, right? Or they do?
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This. A hundred times this.

It's one thing to decide you want a gay, black, handicapped, or Muslim character in your fiction. And they should be there, to some degree. The problem is inserting that character and having their gayness, blackness, handicap, or religion be the totality of their character.

But having her be a normal person, who's trait can be remarked upon occasionally when relevant or interesting? That's what we should want out of these changes in society.
 
A beaker full of death said:
Randomly deciding a character is now gay, or black, or handicapped is not groundbreaking. How about dipping a little bit into what that identity actually means?
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Since the writer is Muslim and a woman, I've feeling she just might be "dipping a little bit into what that identity actually means". Might be less random than you think.
 
Religion almost never impacts on a characters motives or decisions in Marvel Comics.

It's an award winning female Muslim author writing about a female Muslim character.

That makes it more about niche than exploitation or titillation.

Does anyone for a second think that Ben Grimm is kosher?

Is Nightcrawler against condoms?

here's a list....

Some Top Super-Heroes

Superman
Methodist

Spider-Man
Protestant

Batman
Episcopalian/Catholic (lapsed)

Wonder Woman
Greco-Roman Classical Religion

Aquaman
Greco-Roman Classical Religion

The Hulk
Catholic (lapsed)

Captain America
Protestant

Invisible Woman
Episcopalian

Nightcrawler
Catholic

Shadowcat
Jewish

Daredevil
Catholic

Hawkman
Egyptian classical religion

The Thing
Jewish

The Atom
Jewish (lapsed)

Zatanna
Dianic Wiccan

Elektra
Greek Orthodox

Oh look! Wonder Woman and Aquaman could carpool to church together. :)
 
A beaker full of death said:
Gov Kodos said:
And will failure be due to being conservative, a feminist, a Muslim, or a woman?
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A failure to delve into any of those - and their interaction - on any meaningful level.
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Delve into what? She's not a white, male, Christian, what's to delve into unless being not so is somehow strange or not a character the audience can understand? It might be normal to be a woman, a Muslim woman, or just not white, male, and Christian? That's just crazy talk, ain't it?
 
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