Massive Explosion in The Center of Oslo, Norway.

[chardman]

Whatever it is, my definition is a "tragedy, caused by a madman". So this fuckhead is apparently justifying this because he wanted to make people aware of the "dangerous trend in immigration". Yeah good move there you Nazi piece of shit.

It looks like his intention was to get away with this and have it be blamed on Islamic extremists.

What a piece of shit.

Wait he actually thought he could get away?

The moron must have been delusional.

He was dressed as a cop. It's been speculated that his intent was to simply blend in with the first real police arrivals on the scene. Of course, his plan pretty much depended on there being NO SURVIVORS to inform the real cops that the shooter had been masquerading as a cop.

I've heard that by wearing the police officer's uniform he could get access to the island, but also blend in when the police response arrived and leave the island with them, but they showed up too quick.

Too quick? How do you figure? It took them 90 minutes to respond--something about they couldn't find a boat or a helicopter. I can't imagine he expected to have more time than that.

I don't think he expected more time, but that he simply underestimated how long it would take for a single gunman to massacre that many campers. Also, it's likely that there were a lot more people in the camp than he'd initially expected to find.

When the real cops arrived, there were still plenty of survivors to identify the gunman. Although had there been fewer campers, he might well have gotten away with it.

 

[JRS]

Too quick? How do you figure? It took them 90 minutes to respond--something about they couldn't find a boat or a helicopter. I can't imagine he expected to have more time than that.

Here is the timeline according to Oslo police( from Finnish news):

17.27 - First report about the shooting to the Buskerund Police

17.30 - The situation room of Oslo police gets report about the shooting

17.38 - Oslo police gets a request for further units from Buskerud

17.52 - The first Police unit arrives to the area, they start to wait for the boat

18.03 - Message that the boat is on its way

18.09 - The SWAT team arrives to the shore

18.25 - The SWAT team arrives to the Utoyan island

18.27 - The suspect is arrested

The first attempt to go to the island apparently failed, because the first boat was leaking and way too small to carry the team and all the equipment.
Thus a second boat was needed, but judging from the timeline they had more than one boat to use then.

Also, it's likely that there were a lot more people in the camp than he'd initially expected to find.

I think he knew the numbers of people that would be there.
This camp has been active at least from the 1970s, so I am pretty sure he had plenty of info about it from the net.
Plus police says he had still plenty of ammo remaining after he was arrested.
This guy used Ruger Mini 14, that he got back at 2010 plus a Glock 17( that he got partly because of his longtime membership of local gun club since 2005).
I am surprised he got some dum-dum bullets,
I always thought these where for military use mostly..and the gun laws in Norway are not really very loose.

I hope this guy wont get a public trial,
the last thing we need is for him to get an open podium to spill is bull for hour and hours in front of live TV-cameras

 

[Hound of UIster]

Judge would have to be an idiot to make the trial public. It'll be an open invite for every lunatic in the country.

 

[JRS]

Police in Norway have revised the death toll,
that is now 76..and not 93 like previously said.
It is still very high, though

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Police in Norway have revised the death toll,
that is now 76..and not 93 like previously said.
It is still very high, though

Well, that's something of a relief, but odd. I understand the chaos of the situation, but what's the point of an official death toll that counts people who aren't officially verified as being dead?

Were they counting missing people among the dead? Or was it just an estimate that was reported as official?

 

[Sean Aaron]

This is just so awful I can't really even get angry about it; only despair. It's just unreal that one individual could cause that much carnage in such a short span of time.

Apparently one of the right-wing groups he belongs to has 22,000 members? Seems like a lot for a small country like Norway. How many of these others is a ticking bomb?

 

[Peak]

I am surprised he got some dum-dum bullets,

Not so surprising, I'm afraid. If Norways hunting laws is like Swedens, then it's obligatory to use (I think) soft point bullets to minimize the animals (mostly moose) suffering.

If you use "normal" bullets, it's easier to just injure the animal in question.

 

[Holdfast]

Youtube videos, a 1000 page manifesto and an online diary, guy definitely was screaming for attention.

1500 pages, I heard. It's the extra 500 pages that put him into the world-class bracket...

I think they will find him strangely mundane, with all the usual suspects: externalization, black and white thinking, persistent retaliatory rage, etc. He's obviously intelligent, and I would doubt he would qualify as insane from a legal point of view (too much planning and precision).

I think sometimes people like this have a dark impulse, and then build a rationalizing structure around it.

JMHO

From what we've heard so far, I reckon he's a fairly classic Axis II Cluster B personality disorder. Ticks plenty of antisocial checkboxes (on the malevolent side of things too), peppered with some additionational narcissistic elements and some borderline stuff too.

Coincidentally enough, I just blogged about this.

Nicely done. I agree with the speculative assessment of an AXIS II disorder. The rigidity is a dead give away. It will be interesting to learn more about his life as time goes on.

I have done a lot of work with criminals over the years, and I'm struck by attachment theory when I think of many of them (not all). The lack of empathy is striking. Can a serious narcissistic wounding be far behind?

I also think in cognitive development terms. On one hand, this guy is obviously intelligent. On the other, like so many others like him, he seems stuck in concrete operations. Perceiving the world in such black and white terms is like an 8 or 9 year old.

Throw in some righteous indignation and you've got a perfect storm.

Yup, the developmental immaturity leading to rigidity is usually pretty prominent in stuff like this, isn't it.

 

[Hound of UIster]

In his diary/manifesto he talks about how he took off an entire year to play WoW and to conduct online raids. He also thinks Modern Warfare is a great training tool for would-be soldiers.

 

[ares93]

He also thinks Modern Warfare is a great training tool for would-be soldiers.

Now i'm certain he's nuts.

 

[RJDiogenes]

This is just so awful I can't really even get angry about it; only despair. It's just unreal that one individual could cause that much carnage in such a short span of time.

Apparently one of the right-wing groups he belongs to has 22,000 members? Seems like a lot for a small country like Norway. How many of these others is a ticking bomb?

All of them.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

In his diary/manifesto he talks about how he took off an entire year to play WoW and to conduct online raids. He also thinks Modern Warfare is a great training tool for would-be soldiers.

I sense a campaign for a crackdown on violent video games looming in the popular press.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

In his diary/manifesto he talks about how he took off an entire year to play WoW and to conduct online raids. He also thinks Modern Warfare is a great training tool for would-be soldiers.

I sense a campaign for a crackdown on violent video games looming in the popular press.

They're everyone's favorite scapegoat these days.

 

[JRS]

Video games wont make anyone a killer.
This Norwegian killer may have played some, but he did it to fuel his own violent plans, nothing more.

There has been lots of talk on the news and on the net, of whatever if this guy is crazy or not.
I do not think it matters so much, at least as the sentencing of him is concerned. He will sit at least that 20+ years, either on prison or in a closed mental institution.
They are might even accuse him for "crimes against humanity", that would give him maybe 10 years of extra prison time:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14294251

 

[Robert Maxwell]

But they never have to let him out if they determine he remains a continued danger to others, right? This doesn't seem like someone you could ever trust to be out in public again.

 

[1001001]

I don't know how it works in Norway, but from what I've read and seen, this guy is not legally insane. He put a great deal of thought and planning into this. It was not impulsive or (as far as I have read) the result of an acute psychotic break.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I don't know how it works in Norway, but from what I've read and seen, this guy is not legally insane. He put a great deal of thought and planning into this. It was not impulsive or (as far as I have read) the result of an acute psychotic break.

Right. I don't think he's "crazy," as if that word has a clear definition to begin with. He's not a Jared Loughner, totally detached from reality and hearing voices in his head. He developed a complex and logically consistent rationale for his actions, then planned and carried out his attacks. There doesn't seem to be much doubt that he is severely mentally ill but he was fully aware of what he was doing and would almost surely do it again, given the chance.

 

[Agent Richard07]

 

[Holdfast]

I don't know how it works in Norway, but from what I've read and seen, this guy is not legally insane. He put a great deal of thought and planning into this. It was not impulsive or (as far as I have read) the result of an acute psychotic break.

His lawyer is (unsurprisingly) now talking about constructing a legal defence based around insanity.

The differences between the legal, medical and lay concepts/definitions of insanity are certainly laid bare in cases like this.

 

[JRS]

The Police released today few names of the victims(photos of them in the article):

The first release of names listed three who were killed by the huge bomb detonated by Breivik in Oslo’s government quarter before he moved on to Utoya.
They were Hanna Endresen, 61, Tove Aashill Knutsen, 56, and Kai Hauge, 32, all from Oslo. The last two were born and died on the same day of the year.
Gunnar Linaker, 23, from Bardu in northern Norway was the first victim on Utoya to be named.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-police-begin-releasing-names-of-victims.html