Q's fate

[captainmkb]

Spoiler: everything

Q has been around for billions of years, according to the Female Q in Voyager's The Q and the Grey, she implies an age of at least 2 billion years. Assuming Q is about the same age and maybe some Q are older, can't versions of themselves from before Q's death still be around to taunt or teach lessons to other crews. The Q can go to the Big Bang and possibly the very end of the Universe. So have we really seen the last of Q or any Q?

huh? not sure if this is overthinking or this thought might be a bit underdone. there are reasons the sky is blue too.

Spoiler: everything

i know the big-hitters of omniscient omnipotent beings have some heady concepts, but dead is dead, and they've already established they can die in TNG and Voyager episodes.

yes, they traveled back in time before they were born and traveled forward in time to the end of things, even though that might be after they changed history. so yes. they won't be erased. probably. who knows.

also, Q said at the last minute that not sending Rios home allowed him to conserve some power so he might stretch out his existence a bit longer.

basically the writers wrote a loophole in so there's no point really asking. just watch the show and listen to what he said about death. that's it. that's what happened

 

[fireproof78]

Q has been around for billions of years, according to the Female Q in Voyager's The Q and the Grey, she implies an age of at least 2 billion years. Assuming Q is about the same age and maybe some Q are older, can't versions of themselves from before Q's death still be around to taunt or teach lessons to other crews. The Q can go to the Big Bang and possibly the very end of the Universe. So have we really seen the last of Q or any Q?

No, we have not.

 

[Timofnine]

Despite initially taking the other side for pragmatic reasons, Q expressed an interest in Quinn's wish to end his immortal life because it was all so drab and boring that he had taken to tormenting lesser life forms to get his kicks, a fact which constantly put him at odds with the guidelines of the rest of the Continuum.

It's the old contention that the gods envy mortals their finite existence because life is all the more precious if you can lose it.

So, my guess if that the compromise the Q reached to end their civil war is that they gave themselves finite lifespans and Q is part of the first generation to die, while some of the younger Q like Amanda Rogers will linger on until the 26th century.

In the meantime, they will have shepherded lower lifeforms through the worst of the Temporal Cold War and feel as if their time has come to step aside. Plus they've left humanity and others in the hands of the Travelers and their agents.

I forgot about Amanda! She was half Q? She can be a traveller too!!!

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

Despite initially taking the other side for pragmatic reasons, Q expressed an interest in Quinn's wish to end his immortal life because it was all so drab and boring that he had taken to tormenting lesser life forms to get his kicks, a fact which constantly put him at odds with the guidelines of the rest of the Continuum.

It's the old contention that the gods envy mortals their finite existence because life is all the more precious if you can lose it.

So, my guess if that the compromise the Q reached to end their civil war is that they gave themselves finite lifespans and Q is part of the first generation to die, while some of the younger Q like Amanda Rogers will linger on until the 26th century.

In the meantime, they will have shepherded lower lifeforms through the worst of the Temporal Cold War and feel as if their time has come to step aside. Plus they've left humanity and others in the hands of the Travelers and their agents.

Has anybody seen the show "The Good Place"? The finale, in particular? That's how I imagine the Continuum going out, after having seen and experienced everything.

 

[Tuskin38]

I forgot about Amanda! She was half Q? She can be a traveller too!!!

Her parents were Q’s that turned themselves human. But I guess stuff that made them Q was still in their reproductive DNA

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

I think that we’ve most likely seen the last live action version of the John de Lancie Q.

That being said, ‪‪I think we could maybe see him again in an animated appearance at some point. He could appear in a story that takes place before Picard S02, or even afterward, since members of the Q Continuum aren’t bound by the rules of linear time and space, even if his existence has ended.

I don’t think it’s necessarily the last we’ve seen of him.

 

[Vanyel]

Spoilers in the title, I know
I know, it's serious
Spoilers in the title, the show
you know, is a recent series run

I'm sorry, but I thought the spoiler codes were set differently in this forum and strictly about Picard,.. If I misread that post I do apologize.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Spoiler codes, yes. But spoilers in the thread titles can be seen on the main page. I've changed the title to something more vague.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I'm sorry, but I thought the spoiler codes were set differently in this forum and strictly about Picard,.. If I misread that post I do apologize.

No worries, you're fine. I was just concerned that the title said "Q is dead" right on the main page of the board, so anyone who hadn't watched Picard S2 yet would see that. But the mod fixed it.

ETA: Speak of the devil and he shall appear to ninja you.

 

[Vanyel]

Spoiler codes, yes. But spoilers in the thread titles can be seen on the main page. I've changed the title to something more vague.

No worries, you're fine. I was just concerned that the title said "Q is dead" right on the main page of the board, so anyone who hadn't watched Picard S2 yet would see that. But the mod fixed it.

ETA: Speak of the devil and he shall appear to ninja you.

Thank you both.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Q could still show up in Lower Decks since that still set years before Picard is.

 

[Toril Toran]

Fascinating.
I was wondering if, by changing Picard's future, perhaps it somehow changed Q's future as well (the ripple effect of changing time). Perhaps Q only dies in that particular timeline. If so, perhaps when he sent Picard back to the original timeline, Q may have survived...???
Even if he did die, previous versions of himself would still be out there causing mischief.

 

[Vanyel]

Or maybe, because of the birth of new Q and the death of Quinn, Q evolved into something even more powerful.

 

[Quinton]

I do wish PIC S2 had even a throwaway line as to why Q was dying. That's one of the big issues that might have been remedied with even a single sentence, heh.

I get that the most important thing is that it's happening, not why, but the 'why' seems pretty big here.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

Despite initially taking the other side for pragmatic reasons, Q expressed an interest in Quinn's wish to end his immortal life because it was all so drab and boring that he had taken to tormenting lesser life forms to get his kicks, a fact which constantly put him at odds with the guidelines of the rest of the Continuum.

It's the old contention that the gods envy mortals their finite existence because life is all the more precious if you can lose it.

So, my guess if that the compromise the Q reached to end their civil war is that they gave themselves finite lifespans and Q is part of the first generation to die, while some of the younger Q like Amanda Rogers will linger on until the 26th century.

In the meantime, they will have shepherded lower lifeforms through the worst of the Temporal Cold War and feel as if their time has come to step aside. Plus they've left humanity and others in the hands of the Travelers and their agents.

I feel like this kinda ties with one of my own thoughts about Q dying - the birth of Junior changed the nature of the Continuum. A big deal was raised about how no Q had died AND no Q had been born since the Continuum’s inception (Amanda Rogers having been conceived in the human fashion, rather than “like a Q”).

It’s a common expectation for children to grow beyond their parents, and, it is equally considered “the way of things” for the parent to eventually “make way” for the child in various ways, up to and including passing on (“Sometimes people leave you halfway through the wood...”). Your parents give you a foundation, but then you have to build on it yourself.

And part of the clear resentment on Q’s part of “dying alone” is that he brought this about... and, likewise, that he can’t bear to be with his son, the “face” of this change to the nature of the Continuum, because a part of him would resent his son. He dies alone because he won’t or can’t face his son because of this.

 

[Kor]

What a surprise it would be for Q if, after having accepted his fate and made his peace or whatever, his 'death' turned out to actually be ascension to an even higher plane of existence. Let's call it "R," just for the sake of... the sake. Except that this is a tortured existence, for some reason or other. Perhaps he's in some kind of self-contained universe -- or, indeed, he is said universe -- where he is the one and only consciousness, so he is stuck with his own thoughts for all eternity.

Kor

 

[Toril Toran]

I listened to a book on tape (it was an actual cassette tape) about Q putting Picard through another "test" (I don't remember the name of the book).
Q told Picard that there were other continuums, and the Q continuum didn't get along with them (probably Q's fault).
After Q, the higher the continuum, the higher the letter. The continuum higher than Q was P. Then O, then N, etc etc
In this book Q also admitted that he had met God.

 

[fireproof78]

What a surprise it would be for Q if, after having accepted his fate and made his peace or whatever, his 'death' turned out to actually be ascension to an even higher plane of existence. Let's call it "R," just for the sake of... the sake. Except that this is a tortured existence, for some reason or other. Perhaps he's in some kind of self-contained universe -- or, indeed, he is said universe -- where he is the one and only consciousness, so he is stuck with his own thoughts for all eternity.

Kor

He just leveled up.

 

[The Wormhole]

I listened to a book on tape (it was an actual cassette tape) about Q putting Picard through another "test" (I don't remember the name of the book).
Q told Picard that there were other continuums, and the Q continuum didn't get along with them (probably Q's fault).
After Q, the higher the continuum, the higher the letter. The continuum higher than Q was P. Then O, then N, etc etc
In this book Q also admitted that he had met God.

The only novel I know of which featured another Continuum named after a letter was I, Q, which was written by John de Lancie with Peter David. In that there was an M Continuum, long time rivals of the Q which all started when the Q and the M first met and someone (unclear which side they were on) yelled "Your mother!" The two Continuums then went to war which eventually ended in a stalemate and they have both abided by a shaky truce ever since.

 

[Toril Toran]

It sounds like that is it. It has been a long time since I have listened to it.