October 2017 Star Trek novel

[Greg Cox]

I'll also vouch for believing it was conventional wisdom that 2008 was intentionally TOS-light until it was clearer what was happening with ST09. This is the first time I've ever seen that meme challenged.

That could have been the case. I'm just saying that I was talking to Ed and Margaret regularly at the time, and I don't remember either of them saying anything along those lines. Could this be a case of fannish speculation that somehow evolved into "conventional wisdom" over time?

 

[ryan123450]

Such a thing could occur????!? I'm shocked at such an idea!

 

[David cgc]

Such a thing could occur????!? I'm shocked at such an idea!

Wasn't there another thing just in the past couple months that it turned out we had all been wrong about for ages? I feel like that was here in the Lit Forum.

I've been having deja vu about this whole "thing that's been said repeatedly for years suddenly being shot down" progression.

 

[Greg Cox]

Psst! Victoria Vetri probably didn't play Isis in "Assignment: Earth" even though every website in the world lists that rumor as a "fact" these days.

And Kirk and Uhura did not have the first interracial kiss on television.

(At least not without a lot of asterisks.)

 

[MadeIndescribable]

And Kirk and Uhura did not have the first interracial kiss on television.

(At least not without a lot of asterisks.)

The first *scripted* interracial kiss on *American* television if I remember rightly??

 

[Christopher]

The first *scripted* interracial kiss on *American* television if I remember rightly??

Only if you define "interracial" as black-white. There had certainly been interracial kisses between white actors and Latino or part-Asian actors (e.g. Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz, or Robert Culp and France Nuyen in I Spy). Heck, even William Shatner had kissed nonwhite or mixed-ethnicity actresses before "Plato's" -- Pilar Seurat in a 1962 Naked City, BarBara Luna in "Mirror, Mirror" (she's part-Latin and part-Filipina), and arguably France Nuyen in "Elaan of Troyius" (shot earlier though aired later).

Here's a nice overview of the issue:

http://www.agonybooth.com/tvs-first-interracial-kiss-star-trek-27382

 

[MadeIndescribable]

Only if you define "interracial" as black-white. There had certainly been interracial kisses between white actors and Latino or part-Asian actors (e.g. Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz, or Robert Culp and France Nuyen in I Spy). Heck, even William Shatner had kissed nonwhite or mixed-ethnicity actresses before "Plato's" -- Pilar Seurat in a 1962 Naked City, BarBara Luna in "Mirror, Mirror" (she's part-Latin and part-Filipina), and arguably France Nuyen in "Elaan of Troyius" (shot earlier though aired later).

Here's a nice overview of the issue:

http://www.agonybooth.com/tvs-first-interracial-kiss-star-trek-27382

Fair enough, I was just going by what I've read previously, hadn't heard of those before.

 

[Idran]

Fair enough, I was just going by what I've read previously, hadn't heard of those before.

Not to harp, but just out of honest surprise: you hadn't heard of I Love Lucy?

 

[MadeIndescribable]

Not to harp, but just out of honest surprise: you hadn't heard of I Love Lucy?

I'd heard of the series, but not the inter-racial aspects.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

I'd heard of the series, but not the inter-racial aspects.

Or rather had never considered it that way.

There was a whole to-do about it, people unsure if they would be accepted as a TV couple. So they traveled the US with a comedy routine - some of "The Audition" (Seal act) and "The Diet" (Cuban Pete/Sally Sweet number) were part of that.

 

[MadeIndescribable]

Or rather had never considered it that way.

Nope, to be honest, I knew very little other than there was a TV series called "I Love Lucy". It wasn't really repeated on British TV when I was growing up (in the 90s/00s) for me to come across, and it never appealed enough for me to seek it out.

 

[DimesDan]

Nope, to be honest, I knew very little other than there was a TV series called "I Love Lucy". It wasn't really repeated on British TV when I was growing up (in the 90s/00s) for me to come across, and it never appealed enough for me to seek it out.

I'm in the same boat, I've heard of it, but just in passing and more because of the interwebs and I've never watched it.

 

[Christopher]

Nope, to be honest, I knew very little other than there was a TV series called "I Love Lucy". It wasn't really repeated on British TV when I was growing up (in the 90s/00s) for me to come across, and it never appealed enough for me to seek it out.

Ironic to see this converation on a Trek board -- since the success of I Love Lucy allowed its stars, Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz, to found their own production company called Desilu -- the company that eventually made Star Trek. This fandom and this forum would not exist if not for Lucy.

 

[James Swallow]

Nope, to be honest, I knew very little other than there was a TV series called "I Love Lucy". It wasn't really repeated on British TV when I was growing up (in the 90s/00s) for me to come across, and it never appealed enough for me to seek it out.

Yeah, you're about a decade out. I remember it airing on BBC 2 in the 80s...

 

[Greg Cox]

Ironic to see this converation on a Trek board -- since the success of I Love Lucy allowed its stars, Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz, to found their own production company called Desilu -- the company that eventually made Star Trek. This fandom and this forum would not exist if not for Lucy.

There's a reason the planet in the LEGACIES trilogy is named "Usilde." It's an anagram of Desilu, our way of tipping our hat to Lucy and Desi on the 50th anniversary.

 

[Idran]

There's a reason the planet in the LEGACIES trilogy is named "Usilde." It's an anagram of Desilu, our way of tipping our hat to Lucy and Desi on the 50th anniversary.

Haha, I did not catch that. Nice.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Nor did I.

 

[ATimson]

Nor I, but it's a lot harder to catch when you listen to the audiobooks!

 

[phurren]

Yeah, you're about a decade out. I remember it airing on BBC 2 in the 80s...

It wasn't BBC2 it was Channel 4. Michael Grade loved it and so when he started Channel 4 it was one of the first thing he aired. I was 9 and loved it.