I tumbled off the wagon with CBS Trek. Not really sure there is anything they can do at this point to bring me back.
Your postmortem thoughts on DISCO
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I tumbled off the wagon with CBS Trek. Not really sure there is anything they can do at this point to bring me back.
That's fair. The newer stuff is certainly different and may not be to everyone's taste and that's fine. For my part, after oh so many years of the BermaTrek formula, I wanted them to do different things with the franchise, and they delivered in mostly positive ways, at least in my opinion.
As for everyone's praise of The Orville, to my mind that was just yet another slight variation of the BermaTrek formula that I had already grown so tired of. If the new era had come in out of the gate with yet another variation on that tired formula, then I imagine that I may have been the one that tumbled off the wagon with CBS Trek.
Thing for me is that it has grown to feel more and more like the Berman years with every season produced. I've said this before: if someone had told me in 2018 that Discovery season one would be the most original out of all of CBS Trek, I would've laughed them out of the room.
Same. It did what Voyager did early on: gave me a formula with characters I wasn't invested in
Life is so much more than formula.
I think my attitude to Star Trek may be more rooted in my age and my changing attitudes towards media.
I got into Star Trek in my twenties and being in my twenties, I just cared about stuff more then in terms of media. I read about new bands, I kept up to date with so many actors, movies and shows…
I just don’t care about stuff like media so passionately these days, approaching 50. There’s more important things than what colour the insides of nacelles are supposed to be or whatever. I like the new shows well enough, but at the same time, if I never catch up, I’m alright with that.
SNW is very good at doing what it does. A sort of pure distillation of Star Trek. It looks beautiful, the casting is perfect and the writing has been really strong. LDS is funny. I should finish it. DSC likewise.
SFA. I keep saying it. That’s where I feel I can jump back on board and it may even be a fun idea to rewatch DSC Seasons 3-4, then 5 for the first time before SFA drops.
I’m all in for the 32nd Century.
I got into Star Trek in my twenties and being in my twenties, I just cared about stuff more then in terms of media. I read about new bands, I kept up to date with so many actors, movies and shows…
I just don’t care about stuff like media so passionately these days, approaching 50. There’s more important things than what colour the insides of nacelles are supposed to be or whatever. I like the new shows well enough, but at the same time, if I never catch up, I’m alright with that.
SNW is very good at doing what it does. A sort of pure distillation of Star Trek. It looks beautiful, the casting is perfect and the writing has been really strong. LDS is funny. I should finish it. DSC likewise.
SFA. I keep saying it. That’s where I feel I can jump back on board and it may even be a fun idea to rewatch DSC Seasons 3-4, then 5 for the first time before SFA drops.
I’m all in for the 32nd Century.
Yeah. If Star Trek generally sits in the middle of the pack of the shows I watch, The Orville is in the lower part.
It’s alright. It is. Occasionally it can be quite surprising and more than once it made me laugh. However, and saying this as a person who has found the quality of recent Trek to be variable, The Orville doesn’t even come close to something like SNW or DSC. Not within a light year.
Discovery was kind of an idea board where they could just throw anything out there and see what worked. A lot of it worked. It spawned Short Treks, SNW, and Section 31 (no fault of its own on that one). I probably won't be really interested in a rewatch of it for years. I enjoyed season the first two seasons the most and then 5. I hope one day we know what all turmoil happened that made Discovery the unstable production it was. I am glad it happened, though.
I’m glad we have DSC. I think SMG is a treasure and a tremendous lead. Doug Jones created something truly unique in Saru. The 32nd Century is hot. Free floating nacelles because shut up, it’s cool. And it *is* cool. Shut up. Nivar and the new status-quo. Very rich in storytelling potential and I’m glad SFA will continue there.
I just pretend to myself that Seasons 1-2 don’t exist.
I just pretend to myself that Seasons 1-2 don’t exist.
I'll still be waiting for Lorca Prime to get his series
I’d rather have a Mirror Lorca series.
i never found it unwatchable like so many others did. I generally like season 1 and 2 better than 3-5.
It definitely had problems. It never really settled on what it wanted to be.
Favourite episodes : Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad, Into the Forest i Go, Despite Yourself, If Memory Serves, Through the Valley Of Shadows, Such sweet Sorrow, Terra Firma, Coming Home, Face the Strange
It definitely had problems. It never really settled on what it wanted to be.
Favourite episodes : Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad, Into the Forest i Go, Despite Yourself, If Memory Serves, Through the Valley Of Shadows, Such sweet Sorrow, Terra Firma, Coming Home, Face the Strange
I don’t think it was unwatchable, there was a lot of talent on the screen. Just largely “there”. Even when I might enjoy an episode, there was never any desire to watch more, the way I experienced TOS, TNG and to a lesser extent the other three Berman shows.
Just kinda bland and unimaginative.
yeah. Not unwatchable . Just kind of 'there' , a lot of the time . We accepted it in 2017 because there hadn't been any Trek on TV in a long time.
I find unwatchable an odd line. There are few things I would consider unwatchable and Discovery genuinely enjoyable about 75 percent of the time. Michael is one of my favorite characters and the spore drive is genuinely interesting idea.
I think I enjoyed about 30% of what I watched. Sometimes they just laid things on a little too thick, especially with Burnham. Sometimes it felt like the episodes and arcs got off track. Especially at the end of season two.
Yup, I went into that in my post a couple pages back, too. This show's Achilles heel was arc fatigue, except in season one, where they managed to evenly break up the story for season one in such a way that didn't drag to hell and gone like seasons 2 through 4.
Seasons 4 and 5 were my favorite and Species 10-C was the most Star Trek thing that Star Trek has done in a very long time. There were still problems with pacing and supporting characters that just didn't deliver enough payoff to be worth all the time and focus, but for the most part DSC got substantially better once it left the mid-23rd century setting and the crew was transplanted to the distant future. Book was the best supporting character in probably the entire show's run and having David Cronenberg be a mysterious presence in the late 32nd century and a recurring character was a very fun and unexpected touch.
DSC ended stronger than it began. It's still my least favorite Trek series overall, but the Species 10-C and Progenitor story arcs kept me engaged, and while the Mirror Universe NCC-1701 making a cameo was completely pointless fanwank that added nothing to the Season 5 story arc, I still got more out of the search for the Progenitor artifacts and L'ak and Moll than I felt bored and distracted. And that's something CBS streaming Trek sometimes has issues with.
DSC ended stronger than it began. It's still my least favorite Trek series overall, but the Species 10-C and Progenitor story arcs kept me engaged, and while the Mirror Universe NCC-1701 making a cameo was completely pointless fanwank that added nothing to the Season 5 story arc, I still got more out of the search for the Progenitor artifacts and L'ak and Moll than I felt bored and distracted. And that's something CBS streaming Trek sometimes has issues with.
Yes. I was very pleased with it.
