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Why Is a White Actor Playing 'Prince of Persia' Title Role?

I never saw this particular casting as being very far from the mark. Jake isn't Persian, but I know several Persians who don't look Persian, one who actually looks a hell of a lot like Jake Gyllenhaal. His nose is really the only feature that is distinctly European.

Wasn't it even a joke a while back how much JG and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad look alike from certain angles?

White people are constantly playing characters that are from a very different white background. Italians play Germans play Englishmen play Nordic play French play Russian, etc. etc. etc.

Asians are constantly playing different Asian ethnicities. Japanese playing Chinese and vice versa, Koreans playing both and both playing Korean. When you get into south-east Asia just about every group is called in for any south-east Asian.

When casting African characters, little to no consideration goes into finding regionally accurate Africans. Even my black friends (other than one who has been to about 80% of the continent) can't tell the difference between most regional/ethnic Africans, in part because the distinction is never made for us in media so we never learn.

In the long line of ethnically inaccurate casting, this rates about a 2/10 on the scale.
 
Shaun Toub. Adrian Pasdar. Catherine Bell. Sarah Shahi. Omid Djalili. Shohreh Aghdashloo. Anthony Azizi. Bahar Soomekh. Fairuza Balk. Shiva Rose.

You don't seriously think any of those names are as well known as the guy who headlined Day After Tomorrow, Brokeback Mountain, Donnie Darko, etc? I've only heard of like half those names and I'm pretty sure none of them ever headlined a well known movie.

Not at all my point. You asked if there were any Iranian actors that anyone in America had even heard of, implying that you believed there were none. I demonstrated that your belief was false. The American acting community is more diverse than you give it credit for.

And it follows that if the producers' primary factor in casting the role was the attractiveness of the actor to female moviegoers, surely there must be some good-looking Iranian-American actors out there, famous or not.

Not to mention that there are other actors in the film besides Gyllenhaal. Yet despite there being plenty of Iranian-American actors -- and surely plenty more Iranian actors in England, Iran, and elsewhere -- not one of the film's major players is Iranian.


If an actor can pretend to be somebody else from a different place and a different time, why can't he also pretend to be somebody else of a different ethnic group?

As I stated in the Last Airbender casting threads, the thing that's being overlooked here is that this is a hiring issue. Forget about casting for movies and put it more generally. If a nonwhite person is competing for a job with a white person, and the nonwhite person is more qualified but the white person gets the job, that's job discrimination. It's not about the ethnicity of an imaginary character; it's about whether real live people are being deprived of job opportunities specifically because they're not white.

Of course, as in The Last Airbender, it's reasonable to look for the best actor for the role first and the most ethnically appropriate one second. But the lead cast of this film with "Persia" in its name has no Iranian or Mideastern actors at all, and the only nonwhite actor in the main cast, Ben Kingsley, is playing the villain. That raises questions.


Great. So, by that logic, a vaguely brown actor should be able to play Green Lantern.

Err, ever heard of John Stewart?


Why is it a white actor? A darker actor should be able to play Spiderman. Why are they only considering white actors?

Indeed, and there's an essay on io9 today asking exactly that same question. There's no reason why Hal Jordan or Peter Parker or Bruce Wayne has to be white. Even with The Last Airbender, it's reasonable that they've shuffled the ethnicities of the fantasy nations around to fit the best actors they found for the various roles, because there's still a good amount of diversity overall.

However, if your movie is called Prince of Persia, that pretty much makes it clear that your characters' ethnicity is supposed to be Persian.


The next Doctor Who could be brown. Right? Why not?

IIRC, a couple of Afro-British actors, Paterson Joseph and Chiwetel Ejiofor, were reportedly under consideration for the role. Way back in "Destiny of the Daleks," one of Romana's "test drive" regenerations (don't ask) was a statuesque black woman.


The fact that the movie has come out and one of its first plot points is that Gyllenhaal's character was adopted should put this controversy to rest.

No, because the controversy isn't solely about Gyllenhaal's character. It's about the entire cast.


I never saw this particular casting as being very far from the mark. Jake isn't Persian, but I know several Persians who don't look Persian, one who actually looks a hell of a lot like Jake Gyllenhaal. His nose is really the only feature that is distinctly European.
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White people are constantly playing characters that are from a very different white background. Italians play Germans play Englishmen play Nordic play French play Russian, etc. etc. etc.

Asians are constantly playing different Asian ethnicities. Japanese playing Chinese and vice versa, Koreans playing both and both playing Korean. When you get into south-east Asia just about every group is called in for any south-east Asian.

When casting African characters, little to no consideration goes into finding regionally accurate Africans. Even my black friends (other than one who has been to about 80% of the continent) can't tell the difference between most regional/ethnic Africans, in part because the distinction is never made for us in media so we never learn.

In the long line of ethnically inaccurate casting, this rates about a 2/10 on the scale.

Those are fair points. Still, it's worth raising the question, and worth pushing Hollywood to try harder to cast inclusively. Ultimately, what matters most is not whether a given character is cast with the right ethnicity, but whether there's enough hiring diversity industry-wide. And if there really was a belief on the part of certain producers or casting directors that a nonwhite lead couldn't fill the seats, that's a red flag that needs to be addressed. As with The Last Airbender, that's the key question: was there intentional exclusion or bias in the process? The comments released by the TLA filmmakers have persuaded me that they made their best effort to cast as fairly as possible, and that early suggestions that they favored white leads were in error. However, in this case, I'd consider the question still open. Did they fairly consider all ethnicities, or did they act on a belief that white actors were more marketable?
 
In other words, you have no decent response to Hollywood using a lily-white actor as a Persian lead :rolleyes:
How about the fact that Persians are white and it was only when intermarriage with Arabs started that some Persians got darker skin. Look at Iran today, there a still tons of light-skinned, blue-eyed people.
 
Now, now...don't you know whatever the historically ignorant think a people should look like is how they should appear.

WHY DID ALEXANDER THE GREAT HAVE BLONDE HAIR IN THIS MOVIE? ALL DA GREEKS I KNOWS HAVE DAWK HAIR!

CLEOPATRA WAS BLACK, Y'ALL!

NAPOLEAN WAS SHORT!!

That said, I don't think Jason Momoa looks Cimmeran enough for me. :(
 
I don't really care about authenticity in a movie like this... but when I saw the trailer I though that this was the single biggest casting mistake that has ever been made. He just doesn't look the part (or sound it either). The casting choice killed any small desire I may have had to see this movie.
 
The guy who plays/played Sayid from Lost would be too dark-skinned I guess...?

Definitely. There have been complaints from Arabs that Naveen Andrews is too dark to be Iraqi.

However, that doesn't stop me from proposing Sendhil Ramamurthy for Prince Dathan. He's young, athletic and drop-dead gorgeous. The main problem is that he'd be prettier than his leading lady. :rommie:
 
One: Seriously?
Two: SERIOUSLY?

This is a non-news story.
It's done just what it intended to do and create phony outrage in our overly PC world. I'm not even bothering to read 5pgs of this thread.
Hollywood does what it does for name recognition.
Sean Connery as an Egyptian Arab, really? How much outrage do you think the press tried to drum up then? Countless other examples.

Anyone buying into this is being played as a fool for acting like this is some serious racial snub.
 
Ultimately, what matters most is not whether a given character is cast with the right ethnicity, but whether there's enough hiring diversity industry-wide. And if there really was a belief on the part of certain producers or casting directors that a nonwhite lead couldn't fill the seats, that's a red flag that needs to be addressed.
It only needs to be addressed if it's a false belief. If it [is[/i] true, then it behooves the producers to cast the movie in a way that maximizes profit.
 
It only needs to be addressed if it's a false belief. If it [is[/i] true, then it behooves the producers to cast the movie in a way that maximizes profit.

So you're saying if that kind of racism still exists in our culture as a whole, that's less important to address than if it only exists in the minds of a few executives? I think you've got that backward.
 
So you're saying if that kind of racism still exists in our culture as a whole, that's less important to address than if it only exists in the minds of a few executives? I think you've got that backward.
I don't think it's less important to address it; I think that you're trying to address it in the wrong place if that's the case. If you want to address it in the culture as a whole, then address it there.

Until then, it's the producers' job to take the studios' money, and make them a movie that will make them more money. It's not the producers' job to take the studios' money and throw it away.
 
Not at all my point. You asked if there were any Iranian actors that anyone in America had even heard of, implying that you believed there were none. I demonstrated that your belief was false. The American acting community is more diverse than you give it credit for.

All you "demonstrated" was that you have the ability to google for a list of Iranian actors. You haven't gotten anywhere near disproving my actual point, which is that there are no Iranian/Persian actors as well-known as Jake Gyllenhall. I'm pretty sure you realize my point was not "there are no Iranian actors that anyone in America has even heard of".

Again, do you seriously think Omid Djalili and Anthony Azizi are as well known as the guy who headlined Day After Tomorrow, Brokeback Mountain, Donnie Darko, etc?
 
I don't think it's less important to address it; I think that you're trying to address it in the wrong place if that's the case. If you want to address it in the culture as a whole, then address it there.

Until then, it's the producers' job to take the studios' money, and make them a movie that will make them more money. It's not the producers' job to take the studios' money and throw it away.

But creative people have the power to influence people's thinking. And with power comes responsibility. What if Gene Roddenberry had decided to give the Enterprise an all-white, all-male crew because he believed it would be more profitable? What if Berman and Piller had gone with a white Ben Sisko, or given into the network and made Janeway a man? Societal attitudes change because the people who speak most widely to society, including the creators of mass-media fiction, take the lead in inspiring such change.

For that matter, the assumption that appealing only to whites is more profitable is dead wrong, and we've known it to be wrong for nearly half a century. The reason NBC and other networks were eager to be more inclusive in '66 and after was because demographic studies had revealed how much spending power nonwhite Americans had. They realized they'd profit more by being inclusive than they would by catering only to whites. And surely that's far more true today, when the American population is so much more diverse, than it was in the '60s.
 
All you "demonstrated" was that you have the ability to google for a list of Iranian actors. You haven't gotten anywhere near disproving my actual point, which is that there are no Iranian/Persian actors as well-known as Jake Gyllenhall. I'm pretty sure you realize my point was not "there are no Iranian actors that anyone in America has even heard of".

All I know is what I can get from the words you choose, and your own exact words were: "Hell, just name an Iranian actor, I bet most people here can't." That was the specific challenge you made, and I responded to it. You have no business crying foul when you were the one who chose to phrase the challenge in that way. If that wasn't the idea you intended to convey, then the mistake is yours for choosing such an ill-conceived, hyperbolic way to make your point. Take responsibility for your own choice of words.

And yes, I made the list with help from Wikipedia, but just about all those names I listed were actors I was already familiar with and that are reasonably well-known to the public at large, even if not everyone knows they're Iranian. You said you bet that most people here couldn't name an Iranian actor. I'm sure most people here do know the names Adrian Pasdar, Catherine Bell, and Shaun Toub at the very least, and though I'm not familiar with Sarah Shahi, she seems to be pretty popular with others on this board, and gets more Google hits than Pasdar and Toub put together.

Okay, so maybe I've just shot down a single point you made rather than addressing your core argument. But an argument is only as good as its evidence, and the specific claims you're using to support your case are highly flawed.
 
Err... Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson? Kristin Stewart and Robert Pattinson? Chris Pine? Hugh Jackman and Famke Janssen? Lots of movies based on pre-existing franchises have been successes without big-name stars, and have even made stars out of their previously-obscure leads.
You don't seriously think Prince of Persia has the same built-in fanbase as Star Trek, Twilight, Harry Potter, or X-Men, do you?

In other words, you have no decent response to Hollywood using a lily-white actor as a Persian lead :rolleyes:

Face it, a film does not require a big name actor in order to be successful.
Sorry but sure it does.

Prince of Persia is a video game.
How many people 45 and over know what that is?
How many grown women or even young girls, know of the game.
Having a name like Jake's in the lead, gets those butts in the seats. They're banking on sex appeal & popularity to get the non-gaming audience to come out and see this film.

Films like "Last Airbender", their banking on the audiences curiosity to sell it. This controversy is what might sell it because folks are going to want to know what the fuss is about. Just like the curiosity behind the new special effects sold "Star Wars".
 
All I know is what I can get from the words you choose, and your own exact words were: "Hell, just name an Iranian actor, I bet most people here can't." That was the specific challenge you made, and I responded to it. You have no business crying foul when you were the one who chose to phrase the challenge in that way.

Yes, I said "most people here can't" name an Iranian actor. How many people are you? I'm pretty sure you are one person and that probably means you are not "most people here". So how does a single person knowing the names of several Iranian actors disprove the notion that "most people here can't" name an Iranian actor? And yet you throw out phrases like "I demonstrated that your belief was false" as if you're stating some indisputable fact.
 
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