Who is stronger? Genetic Engineered Human or typical Vulcan?

[Shat Happens]

We know Vulcans are stronger and more intelligent than regular humans. We also know Augments are, well, augmented.

The fight in STID between Spock and Khan was not really decisive. Spock had help but Khan wasn't exactly pwning him either.

From Space Seed we have:

Even as he is now, his heart valve action has twice the power of yours and mine. Lung efficiency is fifty percent better. I'd estimate he could lift us both with one arm.

On the other side, there are also several episodes where Spock's strenght and intelligence are mentioned. He almost killed Kirk more than once.

You know what would be cool to see? Chess-boxing.

 

[Shat Happens]

I'm surprised nobody felt like disussing this important question.

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

Vulcans are said to be 3 times stronger than humans. One of the Augments in ENT said they were 5 times stronger than regular humans. So there's that. But it's not just strength that matters in a fight.

Personally I think Spock would have won even without help. It wasn't that Khan underestimated Spock's strength, he underestimated his savagery.

 

[BillJ]

I think the real question is: what happens when you breed a genetically engineered human with a Vulcan?

 

[CorporalClegg]

I think the real question is: what happens when you breed a genetically engineered human with a Vulcan?

Spaaaaaawwwn?

 

[Enterprise1701]

In the Myriad Universes story Seeds of Dissent, set in an alternate timeline where Khan won the Eugenics Wars and founded the despotic interstellar state the Khanate of Earth, the Khanate conquered and enslaved the Vulcans without much problem. And since that held for at least around two centuries, I would guess that human Augments are physically stronger than Vulcans.

 

[Shat Happens]

Also, Khan's chest.

 

[TheSubCommander]

The answer is what the plot demands!

Romulans got Pwned by humans in TOS and TNG (Kirk knocked a couple out in Enterprise Incident, I think even Geordi beat up a Rommie once in TNG), yet are finally officially established as on par with Vulcans in Star Trek 2009 and throw Kirk around like a rag doll.

In space seed, Khan says he has the strength of 10 men, then proceeded to get his ass handed to him by Kirk (though Kirk did have a metal pipe). DS9 in I believe Take me Out to the Holosuite, Vulcan are said to have 3 times the strength of a human, yet I could swear there was a TOS episode (This Side of Paradise...maybe?) where Kirk says Spock has either 10 times or many times the strength of a human. either way, that seems more than simply 3 times.

So, really, there are too many inconsistencies to say. However, to me until Uhura showed up, it looked like Spock was going to lose. Khan had resisted Spock's attempts and nerve pinching and just looked to me simply stronger than Spock.

 

[bbjeg]

I'd say the genetically engineered human is stronger simply because he can be built to be stronger but...

The answer is what the plot demands...

This.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

In DS9 you see Bashir exhibit great agility and coordination but he never exhibits super strength, nor the Jack Pack.

But Khan seems to have greater strength than a Vulcan.

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

Bashir's strength wasn't augmented, just his mind and his reflexes. Khan's strength was augmented. Bashir's parents wanted a smart kid, not a kid with super strength.

 

[Shat Happens]

So, is Bashir smarter than a typical Vulcan?

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

Not necessarily. Not necessarily not. But that's not the comparison his parents were concerned with.

 

[TheSubCommander]

So, is Bashir smarter than a typical Vulcan?

I don't know that Vulcans are necessarily biologically smarter than humans. They seem to be better educated and have better mental discipline, but not necessarily more intelligent due to a biological advantage. At least I don't know of anything canon that says they are due to a biological advantage.

 

[Shat Happens]

So, is Bashir smarter than a typical Vulcan?

I don't know that Vulcans are necessarily biologically smarter than humans. They seem to be better educated and have better mental discipline, but not necessarily more intelligent due to a biological advantage. At least I don't know of anything canon that says they are due to a biological advantage.

In "Spock's Brain" it was Spock's brain that was chosen to be stolen. Because it was "tremendous"(said McCoy)

 

[Last Redshirt]

I like to think that the genetically engineered augments like Khan are stronger than the Vulcans, but are significantly less strategically/tactically minded on average. I would certainly say that Spock or even just any old Vulcan would be able to outwit an Augment enough to win in a one-on-one fight.

 

[TheSubCommander]

So, is Bashir smarter than a typical Vulcan?

I don't know that Vulcans are necessarily biologically smarter than humans. They seem to be better educated and have better mental discipline, but not necessarily more intelligent due to a biological advantage. At least I don't know of anything canon that says they are due to a biological advantage.

In "Spock's Brain" it was Spock's brain that was chosen to be stolen. Because it was "tremendous"(said McCoy)

Aside from the fact you are citing one of the worst TOS episodes, so is an elephant's brain, but its not superior to a human brain. Besides, McCoy could have also just as easily been referring to other aspects I already cited, like his mental discipline and vast knowledge base and education. It's often anecdotally stated humans only use 10% of their brain. Maybe Vulcan brains aren't any more superior, but they just happen to use a higher percentage?

 

[mrk]

That oft-repeated 10% thing is completely false. We use all of our brains.

 

[LobsterAfternoon]

Plus Spock is unusually smart, even for Vulcans. He was admitted to/declined to attend the Vulcan Science Academy.

 

[TheSubCommander]

That oft-repeated 10% thing is completely false. We use all of our brains.

Agreed. Which is why I said anecdotal. Maybe I should have said urban legend? The point I was trying to make (I guess badly), was that maybe Vulcans better live up to their potential of their brains than humans, through mental discipline?

And I also agree...Spock is kind of an example of the best of the best, human or Vulcan. The average Vulcan couldn't be expected to live up to Spock's ability.