What was Seven's rank?

[jimoinj]

I'm just wondering what Seven's rank was? It seems officially nothing, yet she was given the respect of someone approaching Lt Commander or even first officer by Janeway. She was given a lot of leeway and was able to work outside of the command structure. She even was allowed to summon the captain and others at will.

At first I thought she was just being tolerated but she would be taught to work within the command structure, but instead everyone seemed to adapt to her style! Surely Janeway should have encouraged her to join Starfleet, or otherwise to give her some kind of official role such as scientific advisor. It seemed weird in such an ordered system as Starfleet that nothing was done officially.

Though Seven was dressed down for talking back and disobeying orders, the point was never pressed and she never really followed Starfleet protocol. Surely it set a bad example to others such as Icheb who wanted to join Starfleet, or Kim who had worked tirelessly to achieve a promotion to no avail.

 

[Marten]

I think she was a civilian, like Phlox in Enterprise. Still doing important things for the ship's function, but without formal command.

 

[TheLobes]

I think she was a civilian, like Phlox in Enterprise. Still doing important things for the ship's function, but without formal command.

Ive never actually seen a whole episode of Enterprise, but wasnt Phlox the medical officer?

To be honest, I just dont think the writers of Voyager could be bothered with addressing the issue of Seven's rank, especially since they made her about 10 times more capable than the rest of the crew. Put her in a catsuit, have her say 'Resistance is Futile' all the time, and youre done.

 

[Kai Winn]

i think officer and chief ranks can only be given to starfleet graduates, a captain might grant field promotions as they did plentifully in ds9's valiant. a miracle they were not all admirals, btw. maybe if they had succedeed blowing up that dominion ship. technically, 7 should have been a crewman, sorry crewoman. an insult to her abilities, so civilian contractor is better.

 

[Ensign_Redshirt]

Phlox was a civilian serving as the chief medical officer of the NX-01 as part of the Interspecies Medical Exchange. Like with any other CMO, the whole crew (including the captain) was subordinate to him in medical matters, but it was the other way around most of the other time.

Seven was a civilian, but she wasn't assigned a specific position on the ship. Technically, she was subordinate to any Starfleet member on the ship I guess. In practice, Seven mostly followed orders when she wanted to and Starfleet officers probably had no other choice than to accept that because they needed her extensive knowledge in science and engineering. Seven at least recognized Janeway's authority most of the time, but I guess this had something to do with Seven considering Janeway her surrogate-Borg Queen or something like that.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You understand that the Chief Engineer with the "provisional" rank of Lieutenant Junior Grade was not only a traitor, dropout and terrorist but she almost destroyed two planets because she didn't care about collateral damage when she was given the keys to a weapon of mass destruction.

Academy Graduate my ass.

25 percent of Janeways crew were Psychopaths.

K?

Starfleet is more like the church in pursuit of a calling than the military in the service of duty... Which almost amounts to the same thing I suppose except that priests don't get paid meanwhile a solider will just walk away (or switch sides?) if they're not paid and fed.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Seven was a civilian. She didn't have any rank, but she seemed to be a special consultant. She recognized the ship's chain of command as any passenger would aboard a naval vessel, but she was not part of it, IMO.

 

[F. King Daniel]

She held the rank of Hot Babe.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It took the doctor two months to ply open her pie hole, exactly how long did it take the doctor to probably build her a vagina after straining all that borg hardware out of her lady plumbing?

Seven was a tragic mess or should have been a tragic mess for the longest time before she was prey for the perverts on Voyager making notches ontheir bunk posts.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Athough it makes little sense, Seven did have her boobs as a drone. In fact, they let her grow them since she was assimilated at 6. Maybe "everything" was left intact?

I'm reminded of Gene Rodenberry's decree that "there are no male or female Borg" from way back when, that caused trouble for the novel "Vendetta" which featured a female ex-drone (almost a proto-Seven). The book ended up with a disclaimer saying the author's version of Star Trek differed from Rodenberry's.

I wondered about what was left of Picard after "Best of Both Worlds". It would certainly explain his fury in "First Contact"!

 

[Jetfire]

So the Borg remove the reproductive organs from those they assimilate?

 

[Saquist]

I'm just wondering what Seven's rank was?

It was either Hot Seven of Nine
Or Sexy Seven of Nine...I'm not sure which one but they are pretty interchangeable.

 

[Green Shirt]

Probably a Lt., since she had two huge pips.

 

[Chaos Descending]

It took the doctor two months to ply open her pie hole, exactly how long did it take the doctor to probably build her a vagina after straining all that borg hardware out of her lady plumbing?

Seven was a tragic mess or should have been a tragic mess for the longest time before she was prey for the perverts on Voyager making notches ontheir bunk posts.

Athough it makes little sense, Seven did have her boobs as a drone. In fact, they let her grow them since she was assimilated at 6. Maybe "everything" was left intact?

I'm reminded of Gene Rodenberry's decree that "there are no male or female Borg" from way back when, that caused trouble for the novel "Vendetta" which featured a female ex-drone (almost a proto-Seven). The book ended up with a disclaimer saying the author's version of Star Trek differed from Rodenberry's.

I wondered about what was left of Picard after "Best of Both Worlds". It would certainly explain his fury in "First Contact"!

So the Borg remove the reproductive organs from those they assimilate?

I would imagine that 24th Centure medical technology is robust enough to support advanced stem cell/organ regrowth.

I assume it would have been trivial for Crusher to fix Picard's plumbing, or EMH to fix-up Seven of Nine.

 

[PsychoPere]

i think officer and chief ranks can only be given to starfleet graduates, a captain might grant field promotions as they did plentifully in ds9's valiant.

Alternatively, as was the case with the Maquis aboard Voyager, a captain has the discretion to issue provisional ranks, regardless of whether the individual receiving the rank graduated from Starfleet Academy or not. Seven should have been issued a provisional rank, just like the Maquis.

 

[exodus]

Seven had no rank, she was a civilian and had no formal Starfleet training to earn a rank. However, she like Westley were given a position of status based on the useful knowledge they both held.

She wouldn't be a bad example for Harry because he had already completed Starfleet Academy and knew the proper rules. Icheb had a whole ship of Starfleet officers to learn from besides Seven. He also returned to Earth with them to join the Academy, too learn proper protocol.

 

[exodus]

i think officer and chief ranks can only be given to starfleet graduates, a captain might grant field promotions as they did plentifully in ds9's valiant.

Alternatively, as was the case with the Maquis aboard Voyager, a captain has the discretion to issue provisional ranks, regardless of whether the individual receiving the rank graduated from Starfleet Academy or not. Seven should have been issued a provisional rank, just like the Maquis.

I disagree and believe Kai Winn is correct, sorry.
Most of Maquis on Voyager were ex-Starfleet, so they already had the training to be re-instated as Officers. The ones that didn't were trained by Tuvok in "Learning Curve".
Tuvok has the ranking status of professor/drill instructor at the Academy has the right to train and approve with Janeway the rank status of the rest. So technically they are all Starfleet graduates.

 

[The_Baroness]

I would imagine that 24th Centure medical technology is robust enough to support advanced stem cell/organ regrowth.

I assume it would have been trivial for Crusher to fix Picard's plumbing, or EMH to fix-up Seven of Nine.

It aint robust enough to grow lungs for Talaxians...

 

[exodus]

I would imagine that 24th Centure medical technology is robust enough to support advanced stem cell/organ regrowth.

I assume it would have been trivial for Crusher to fix Picard's plumbing, or EMH to fix-up Seven of Nine.

It aint robust enough to grow lungs for Talaxians...

Right.
Also on DS9, Bashir wanted to study Odo's shape changing process more so that he could develope a type of tissue that could make organ regeneration & replacement possable. So no, they haven't gotten that far............yet.

I would assume Eugenics and Khan was the ultimate result of stem cell research.
However, people like Jack show that it's still not 100% affective.

 

[Guy Gardener]

And an illegal science which is forbidden.

(Even though McCoy could grow kidneys with a pill.)

Bashir said he could grow a new arm for the terrorist friend of Kiras?

Remember all the trouble they had with Worf's back?