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What is the deal with Klingon House names?

Xerxes1979

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Are Mogh and Duras surnames or firstnames?

Worf and Kurn clearly are first names. However since Worf's old man has been dead a long time does that mean he as the elder brother is the new Mogh?

Is Worf's full name Worf Mogh?

Is Martok a lastname? I ask because it is used both as a title and a house which conflicts with ST:VI and Sins of the Father.
 
Klingons apparently don't have family names, only father's name, they are called "Worf, son of Mogh", "Martok, son of Urthog", "Sirella, daughter of Linkasa" etc. Alexander Rozhenko's Klingon name would be "Alexander, son of Worf".
 
In a way, you have two 'surnames' - your father and your house (Worf, at the end of DS9 is Worf, son of Mogh, of the House of Martok). It seems the House is usually named after it's head, so it changes as the head changes.
There are exceptions, though. Worf's house was still called the House of Mogh even when Mogh died, and not the House of Worf. This is what Ron Moore says on the issue:

We've never explored the hows and whys regarding the naming of Klingon Houses. The House of Mogh reference was probably something that Worf carried on out of respect for his deceased father. This might be the right of a son – to perpetuate a single name for the House instead of supplanting it with his own.

Or maybe it's because Worf wasn't the only son of Mogh. Perhaps the name transfers to the son only if he has no siblings.
 
It's not Worf of the house of Mogh, it's Worf son of Mogh (sorry if I got that wrong). Worf's father it appears wasn't prominent enough to form his own house. Possibly Martok wasn't Martok's original personal name, he was the eldest (surviving) son, when his father died he took the house name as his own. The very first Martok, the one who started the house, may have been dozens of generations in the past.

Worf must rises to a high enough position in Klingon society before declaring or forming his own house. Warrior, land owner, political power, good marriage. After forming the House of Worf, when Worf dies Alexander would then become Worf and the head of the house.
 
It's not Worf of the house of Mogh, it's Worf son of Mogh (sorry if I got that wrong). Worf's father it appears wasn't prominent enough to form his own house. Possibly Martok wasn't Martok's original personal name, he was the eldest (surviving) son, when his father died he took the house name as his own. The very first Martok, the one who started the house, may have been dozens of generations in the past.
You contradict yourself there, since Martok's father was certainly far less prominent than Worf's. We're talking about someone influential enough to be the rival of Duras (Mogh) vs a commoner from the poor region of Ketha (Martok's father). If a "house" is the privilege of higher classes, then Martok's ancestors certainly didn't have a "house".
 
The house is indeed named House of Mogh, but Worf could probably change it if he wanted. He is the head, after all.
 
Worf, son of Mogh, was of the House of Mogh, just as Duras, son of Ja'rod was of the House Duras.
Gowron disbanded the House of Mogh to punish Worf. Later, Martok adopted Worf as a brother in House Martok, and shortly adopted Alexander as a nephew.
I believe it is established that Martok was born a commoner, and so is the first head of House Martok, but I cannot find the reference.

When Quark killed Kosak, he became the head of House of Quark.

So, it is clear that the names of the Houses sometimes change, but still unclear why.
 
You contradict yourself there, since Martok's father was certainly far less prominent than Worf's.

But would the House of Martok exist before Martok himself rose to prominence (i.e. became Gowron's closest aide, even if that was really his Founder Doppelgänger)? In terms of canon evidence, that is. If not, then there's no contradiction.

Martok said he came from humble origins, not being a nobleman by birth and all. But he achieved high status nevertheless - perhaps through his heroic deeds, perhaps through the marriage where he seems to defer to his wife quite a bit. Surely this man, formerly lamenting his lack of status, would now create that status by creating the House of Martok?

I believe it is established that Martok was born a commoner, and so is the first head of House Martok, but I cannot find the reference.

The stuff about him being born commoner was given in "Once More Unto the Breach" where the nobleman Kor despised him for that. The idea that he would be the first head is just conjecture, though, not mentioned in the episode dialogue.

Worf, son of Mogh, was of the House of Mogh, just as Duras, son of Ja'rod was of the House Duras.

There are some nuances to that. The idea of a "House of Mogh" first appears in DS9 "Sons of Mogh", where it's retconned into having existed prior to Worf and Kurn's fall from grace. In "Soldiers of the Empire", it's even given its own crest. TNG never acknowledged the existence of a House of Mogh, though.

These things seem surprisingly consistent, or at least lacking in major contradictions. Worf's father Mogh might well have been the first member of his bloodline to ascend to such a status that he'd have a House of his own. OTOH, there are at least two Worfs in that bloodline, so there could well be ancient Moghs there, too. Similarly, there are at least two Durases in the Duras bloodline, so probably Ja'rod merely was a run-of-the-mill member of a House named after a famous ancestor of his... And so was his villainy son.

So, it is clear that the names of the Houses sometimes change, but still unclear why.

Hmh? It seems to me that the only time the name of a House "changed" was when the male bloodline of the House was snuffed out and an outsider claimed the booty (the House of Quark thing). That is, one House ceased to exist and a new one was founded on the ruins. There was just some confusion as to who'd claim the booty - first it was Quark, but then it was changed to be Grilka, by "special dispensation".

Perhaps females can't lead Houses at all. Or perhaps it's a revision of rules brought up by Gowron, who also seems to have removed the previously existing right of females to hold Council seats during his reign. It's difficult to tell since AFAIK we have only witnessed a single House name change, and we've never been explicitly told that another House would be named after a female, yet not been explicitly told one would not be thus named, either.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Another idea to consider is the way hereditary peers are traditionally named in Britain: individuals have 'normal' forename-surname names, but the current lord is traditionally known by only their title (eg: the actor Tim Bentinck is in theory just 'Portland', as he's the 12th Earl of Portland, though he's never used the title or tried to claim a seat in the Lords).
Something similar might be going on with Klingon houses, so when someone becomes the new head of house he abandons his birth name and becomes known by the house name (Duras, etc. So Toral would presumably have become known as Duras if his claim to his inheritance had been accepted).
 
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