Good. Outside of Sucker Punch I've enjoyed everything he's ever put out and his visual style is amazing.
WB's Justice League 2017 movie pre-discussion thread
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Good. Outside of Sucker Punch I've enjoyed everything he's ever put out and his visual style is amazing.
Well, that was easily the weakest trailer. Good thing Superman started speaking to Lois, he looked like he was close to showing an emotion that wasn't brooding or angry. Cyborg's CG looks like complete gabage, the movie is about a month out I think and Cyborg still looks as bad as he did in trailer one. A lot of the visual style looks like if 300 was somehow shitter then it was, with a bit less slowmo. I liked the underwater scenes though, it was mostly the red sky scenes that looked like a PS3 game, with some growing purple gunk on the ground that looked like it came from suicide Squad.
On the other hand Aquaman, Wonder Woman and Flash all got good stuff. Hopefully between them and Whedon's reshoots the movie can at least be good enough to be ok. It won't beat Wonder Woman or even the weaker MCU films, but it can still be ok and I hope it gets there.
On the other hand Aquaman, Wonder Woman and Flash all got good stuff. Hopefully between them and Whedon's reshoots the movie can at least be good enough to be ok. It won't beat Wonder Woman or even the weaker MCU films, but it can still be ok and I hope it gets there.
Yeah the "red sky scenes" looked horrendous.
So far none of the trailers have me excited. I want to be excited for this and I want to enjoy DC films in general, but with the exception of Wonder Woman, thus far I haven't been. I feel like it's probably going to be a convoluted mess like Batman VS Superman or Suicide Squad. Regardless, I'm still keeping an open mind about it. It will be interesting to see how much Joss Whedon stepping in as director will influence the final product.
I consider that an upgrade from Green Lantern.Looks like Alfred is the 7th member of the League
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Trailers can be misleading. For example, some were giggling to the point of insanity over the Avengers and The Force Awakens trailers, but both films left much to be desired, especially TFA. The opposite can be the case, where a lackluster trailer cannot fully express how strong a film will be.
As others have already said, "good".
Man of Steel and Batman v Superman are/were great, and JL looks like it's going to follow suit. It was also ridiculously unrealistic to expect that Joss taking over post-production was going to do anything to affect the film's tone and narrative.
First of all, he didn't just take over post-production, he handled reshoots as well, and the reshoots are reportedly extensive. Also, a film can be massively transformed in post-production. Editing can significantly alter the story's structure and emphasis, even without reshoots. Dialogue can be altered and added in ADR dubbing -- commonly by editing a scene so that the speaker is off-camera when their redubbed lines are spoken (e.g. Pike's "the Federation is a humanitarian armada" line in ST'09, which wasn't in the early versions of that scene), but these days the technology exists to digitally alter an actor's mouth movements to match a changed line.
And in scenes that are heavy on visual effects, it's easy to transform them radically in post. One example that was recently reported on:
The scene in Thor: Ragnarok of Hela smashing Thor's hammer Mjolnir was shown taking place in Asgard in early trailers, but the latest promo footage shows it taking place in an entirely different location, an open field. Presumably the scene was shot on a greenscreen stage and the whole background was digital, making it easy to change the setting.
Heck, the musical score alone can massively affect the tone of a film, as can things like color correction, sound mix, and editorial pacing. You could, say, take the raw footage of a fight scene and edit it to showcase the combatants' blood and injury, process it with subdued, grungy colors, dub in really loud and gruesome impact noises and cries of pain, and let it play with no music, which would make it feel very dark and serious; or you could edit the same footage to downplay the gore, process it with brighter, more vivid colors, dub in less graphic sound effects and less painful cries, and score it with upbeat adventure music, and it would play much more lightly.
I think it was Peter Bogdanovich who said that every film is three different movies: the one that's written, the one that's shot, and the one that's edited.
Joss is constrained by DGA rules and regulations, so any and all changes that may be made are required to go through Snyder for approval - even though he's stepped aside - unless he and Joss went to DGA arbitration and he waived his DGA-regulated control clause.
Also, reshoots are part of post-production, and they weren't actually "extensive"; they just lasted longer than expected and cost more than expected because of scheduling conflicts with some of the actors and practical logistics problems created by said scheduling conflicts.
Also, reshoots are part of post-production, and they weren't actually "extensive"; they just lasted longer than expected and cost more than expected because of scheduling conflicts with some of the actors and practical logistics problems created by said scheduling conflicts.
I also want this to be a good film but outside of WW been let down 3 times before.
The positives for me are that Aquaman is getting the badass, top tier respect as one of the company's premiere characters and founding JL members he finally deserves.
Ezra Millers personality is winning me over as Flash but I still hate the costume.
I'm so indifferent on Cyborg/Vic as a character that his time on screen has the possibility to either wow me as a scene stealer or just be taking up space. Will not know till I see it.
The snippets of Gordon and Alfred are solid.
Affleck and Gadot as WW are still looking good.
The negatives are the color palate, the editing which may just be due to the trailers. I hope it's not fast cuts in the films action sequences. Lack of Superman buuuut, that could just be misdirection and he gets significant screen time from mid film to finale. I suspect this and hope that's the case. Also, when he does appear I need him to be a bit more upbeat. Much more opposite the brooding Batman.
The positives for me are that Aquaman is getting the badass, top tier respect as one of the company's premiere characters and founding JL members he finally deserves.
Ezra Millers personality is winning me over as Flash but I still hate the costume.
I'm so indifferent on Cyborg/Vic as a character that his time on screen has the possibility to either wow me as a scene stealer or just be taking up space. Will not know till I see it.
The snippets of Gordon and Alfred are solid.
Affleck and Gadot as WW are still looking good.
The negatives are the color palate, the editing which may just be due to the trailers. I hope it's not fast cuts in the films action sequences. Lack of Superman buuuut, that could just be misdirection and he gets significant screen time from mid film to finale. I suspect this and hope that's the case. Also, when he does appear I need him to be a bit more upbeat. Much more opposite the brooding Batman.
I agree, sometimes trailers be deceptive, one should never judge a book by it's cover. It may not have me excited, but there were aspects of the trailer that i thought were alright. Like I said, I'll still go see it with an open mind. Wonder Woman was a good movie and really showed what DCEU can be capable of. Here's hoping that magic has rubbed off on Justice League.
One of the Men in Black DVDs actually had a extra that let you edit your own version of the morgue scene, with a whole collection of different angles and takes and all of that, and it amazed me how different the scene could end up just depending on how you decided to put it together.
As it should be.Justice League billing order
Amy gets to be listed before Gal
Snyder gets the only Director's credit, no Whedon
