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Walking Dead The Ones Who Live

I just interpreted her hesitation at the moment as "we've just reunited on a literal battlefield with more enemies on the way. Probably not the best time to distract him with news of being father to another child."

It's a bit of a double edged sword at the moment. It is true it's the sort of thing that could make Michonne look worse the longer she withholds this information from Rick, but it's also true under the current circumstances there isn't really an appropriate moment to tell him he has another child.
 
Rick wouldn't know about RJ as Michonne didn't know she was pregnant until after Rick's departure. As for Michonne, when she answers Rick that Judith is fine, you can tell from her facial expression that she's withholding something, and she even says something like "the rest can wait until later." Presumably she came to a decision at the moment not to mention RJ yet, feeling it was not an appropriate moment to let Rick know he has another child.
Fair enough; I didn’t remember that Rick had never met RJ.
 
I just hope her not mentioning RJ is not some tragedy saved for the finale.

...or, perhaps she's unsure about the way Rick would react (it is not known if they planned to have a child). That said, I can see Michonne hesitating to say much about Alexandria if she's unsure about Rick's state of mind (i.e., Rick appearing broken or untrustworthy).
I don't know about the untrustworthy part as much as she knows there's something crazy going on, and him being distracted by ANOTHER child that he had no idea about would distract him at the worst possible time.

Now, when you say "tragedy"...what type were you thinking? The way i see it, it would be that Jadis found out about RJ through her contacts (i.e. whoever is keeping ALexandria safe from invasion by the CRM), and that she tells Rick in front of Michonne, so that RIck feels betrayed.

I just interpreted her hesitation at the moment as "we've just reunited on a literal battlefield with more enemies on the way. Probably not the best time to distract him with news of being father to another child."

It's a bit of a double edged sword at the moment. It is true it's the sort of thing that could make Michonne look worse the longer she withholds this information from Rick, but it's also true under the current circumstances there isn't really an appropriate moment to tell him he has another child.
Definitely.... Michonne's hestitation totally makes sense in the moment.

Fair enough; I didn’t remember that Rick had never met RJ.

I understand...it has literally been years since the bridge explosion... so hard to keep track of details like that
 
Now, when you say "tragedy"...what type were you thinking?

Perhaps something happened to RJ? Or someone else back home? If you recall the scene from Daryl Dixon where he calls back home, and through static, Carol tells his something to the effect that someone has returned, but it did not sound as if it was a pleasant experience. Not sure what how the Daryl Dixon timeline fits with The Ones Who Live, but Carol could've referred to someone's actions leading to a tragedy, or something else, which Michonne (through Judith) now knows.
 
I mean, the whole point of RJ was to give Rick another son who could take Carl's place as the "Rick's son" character once they killed off Carl. Seems a bit of a waste to kill him off-screen like that.
 
Perhaps something happened to RJ? Or someone else back home? If you recall the scene from Daryl Dixon where he calls back home, and through static, Carol tells his something to the effect that someone has returned, but it did not sound as if it was a pleasant experience. Not sure what how the Daryl Dixon timeline fits with The Ones Who Live, but Carol could've referred to someone's actions leading to a tragedy, or something else, which Michonne (through Judith) now knows.
I just replayed the scene... it seemed VERY INTENTIONALLY vague.... since they don't have Robert Kirkman's roadmap...it just feels like they are randomly making things up. There is no grand plan like JMS, where things are set up with back-ups to keep a long-term plan going.

It can easily be Dwight or Morgan who came back..If which case, somber but not affectling Darryl & Carol.

. or if they had a set-up with TWOL, maybe Rick coming back (which certainly would be dread news.. probably warning them to get ready for war).

I don't have any confidence it will result in a big crossover event... though that could be a winner for AMC...maybe even resurrect the movie idea?

I still feel like everyone at AMC doesn't have any strong prospects outside of TWD

I mean, the whole point of RJ was to give Rick another son who could take Carl's place as the "Rick's son" character once they killed off Carl. Seems a bit of a waste to kill him off-screen like that.

Judith basically fulfilled the "Little RIck" role that Carl did before he aged way up. RJ just solidifies the Rick/Michonne bond... though extremely weird that she bailed on the kids seeming for such a long time. (other than the actress wanting to do other stuff)
 
or if they had a set-up with TWOL, maybe Rick coming back (which certainly would be dread news.. probably warning them to get ready for war).
Considering Carol waited until the conversation was dying down before mentioning that this person has returned, I doubt the person in Rick. The whole reason Darryl left was to go find Rick. If he returned in the interim, one would think that'd be the first thing Carol would mention the next time she were communicating with him rather than waiting until the conversation were ending to say "oh, by the way..."

My personal theory is that it is indeed a reference to Morgan or Dwight.
 
The Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live - Season one, episode 3 - "Bye"

YEARS AGO
Rick and Jadis I:
In the recent past, new Consignees--including Rick--are granted a free day to explore the city they are working toward joining. Jadis calls out to Rick (who has not seen Jadis since she rescued him at the bridge) and begins to fill him in on their association with the CRM, how she's questioned about him, and what mindset he needs to adopt. Rick is surly, none too happy with essentially being kidnapped to a place he cannot leave. He deduces Jadis is not forced to work consignment thanks to delivering him. Jadis continues, informing him the CRM has a five-hundred year plan to rebuild the old world,--perhaps better than the first world, which would mean their descendants would have a world free of the dead (or, threat in any case), which she argues is a goal worth spending the rest of a life trying to achieve. Angered, Rick barks his plan to go home, ignoring her reminder that she saved his life.

HOURS AGO
Rick and Thorne I:
Shortly after reuniting with Michonne, Rick implores Thorne to take Michonne under her wing, not only to give her a level of protection (by being seen as having no personal connection to Rick), but selling himself and Michonne as part of Okafor's plans for the CRM. Thorne is unsure, but gives thought to Rick's pleas...

Rick and Jadis II: Picking up where their conversation left off in E2, Jadis warns Rick that if he and Michonne were to escape, the CRM would hunt them down, but Jadis--knowing where Rick's home is--would need to get there first in order to kill everyone to prevent her arrangement with Rick from being revealed to the CRM. That said, knowing Rick intends to kill her...someday....she's hidden a file with all pertinent information on Rick and his world for the CRM to find. Either way, Rick and his loved ones would be killed. Rick--getting choked up--asks why; Jadis reinforces the CRM company line that secrecy (concerning the existence of the city) must be preserved...and that's tied to not to jeopardizing all she's built for herself.

Jadis suggests Rick and Michonne live their lives with the CRM--the last "light of the world.". Rick wonders why she's now resorted to threatening him & his loved ones when she did not the last time he told her he would try to escape. Jadis matter-of-factly states that with Michonne at the CRM: "You two together? You can do anything." (SEE NOTES).

Rick does not reply, because he knows its true, although he's behaves like one who does not what that to be the case, at least where the CRM is concerned.

Michonne:
As a Consignee, Michonne has wall duty killing Walkers, and cannot fight the impulse to use her fighting prowess to take charge of a Walker problem, which is observed by a worried Rick, who looks to see if any other CRM soldiers took notice...

Beale / Rick / Thorne I: Major General Beale speaks at the funeral of Okafor, stretching a poor attempt to tie the actions & sacrifice of brigadier general Hugh Mercer to those of Okafor... Later, Thorne recalls how she was rescued and recruited by Okafor when she was prepared to die, but this is interrupted by Beale, who still has doubts about Okafor's belief in the duo, referring to Rick as Pharmakon, or something that is both a cure and poison (SEE NOTES)...

He asks to speak to Thorne in private, leaving Rick's trying to process what move to make in the face of Beale's suspicion...

A near-frantic Thorne reveals she's been promoted to Command Sergeant Major, and has learned about the Echelon Briefing. With the military and community leader from every corner of the CRM soon to arrive for an all-important meeting, Thorne now intends--thanks to her promotion--to place Rick in a more authoritative position, but warns Beale is suspicious of Michonne, despite telling him she's part of Okafor's overall plan. Rick promises to speak to Michonne about her behavior, but reaches a pivotal decision...

Michonne and Rick I: Fearing Beale will discover and take some action against Michonne, Rick devises an escape plan for Michonne, involving a boat and a Walker dressed like a "Dana the Consignee" to serve as her failed attempt to leave. Michonne finds the boat, and appears ready to leave, but is stopped cold when she finds a note from Rick, explaining his intention to stay at the CRM for the rest of his life. Michonne is distressed beyond words.

The next day, Rick reports his scheme to Jadis, and demands she's on the investigation into Michonne's "death" to sell the story. Jadis prods Rick about his desire to kill her, seeing if he still has that in mind. Rick never addresses that--or her reminder of having a waiting file on him. Jadis believes Rick's decision to stay might be motivated by something else (SEE NOTES), in addition to trying to secure Michonne's freedom, but again, he does not address the inquiry.

Michonne and Rick II: Joining Thorne at the Walker wall, Rick is shocked to find Michonne back at work, but he's more disturbed by Thorne's comments; studying Michonne, she finds the idea of "Dana" looking for safety with the CRM a spurious story at best....

Elsewhere, Michonne furiously yanks Rick's helmet off, her stare saying it all. Rick explains that the only way he lived was due to the actions of one man being there (Okafor, I presume), and the only way she can escape is for Rick to serve that same purpose. He recalls how it took years to learn he was never going to escape, asking for help he was never going to get. Quoting his letter, Rick lays it all out there: if Michonne loves him, she'll go. Michonne will not say a word.

In the city, Michonne (V.O. of her message to Judith) wonders if she should have returned home without Rick, believing Rick had been sold on the potential of the CRM...until she comes across the artist who illustrated the faces on Rick's phones. The artist (who knows much about Rick's former life and family) notes that Rick found her, leading Michonne to reply that she has to find him...

Michonne and Rick II:
Thorne (with Rick in tow) takes Michonne to a bombed out area to interrogate her about her beliefs and motives; speaking in code, Michonne says she saved Rick because he seemed helpless, just as Thorne reaches behind her back to grip the handle of her knife. Instinctively, Rick--standing behind Thorne--readies his gun, until Michonne's answers ease the tension. It turns out this was all a test on Thorne's part, but she's still very unsure about Michonne--the threat she poses.

Taken deep into the country to kill off a couple of hundred Walkers, tensions flare as Michonne breaks Consignee protocol to single-handedly move a sound/light emitting device deep into a target area in order to draw Walkers in to be eliminated--a task Thorne was too weak to complete. With Rick's help, the device is activated, but Thorne--angry and threatened by all Michonne represents--takes aim at her, until Rick deliberately steps in front of Michonne, using a Walker as a shield.

Later, an enraged Thorne orders Rick to move Michonne back to wall duty, blaming Rick for her insubordination. Despite the negativity between the two, Thorne reveals Beale's plans to promote Rick....

Rick and Jadis II: Jadis comes on to Rick (again), then spots Michonne, making light of the latter's shock. Rick's had enough of being pulled in three different directions, so he forcefully pulls Michonne aside...

Rick: "It doesn't matter."
Michonne: "Jadis??"
Rick: "It doesn't matter! You're going back to base right now, then i'm gettin' you the Hell outta here, if I have to knock you out to put you on that goddamed boat myself! I belong here--you don't, and you'll never change that! It's over--everything we had is broken! You hear me?!?"

Michonne is stunned by words she never thought would be said to her.

On the helicopter back to base, Michonne and Rick sit facing each other, without exchanging a word. Suddenly, an scowling Michonne detaches their seat belts, grabs Rick and leaps out of the helicopter into the stormy darkness, her VO apologizing to Judith, because she does not know if they will ever make it back...

NOTES:
Nice cliffhanger, although we know certain WD characters have enough plot armor to protect the Death Star. I believed Michonne would become disillusioned with Rick resigned to spending the rest of his life with the CRM, and thanks to Danai Gurira's subtle, yet powerful skills as an actress, her every expression conveyed hurt (that Rick would not even try to escape), yet the deepest love through all of the drama--particularly Rick's growling break-up speech.

Thorne taking aim at Michonne--believing that she really is an "A", pushed Rick into pretending to end his relationship with Michonne, but I cannot imagine he's so panicked by the CRM threat Thorne poses, that he would not have a back-up plan to deal with Thorne. Her sort-of friendship with Rick has its limits, since she--a woman who has repeatedly said she had nothing to live for until Okafor rescued her (though her indoctrination took time), so her loyalty would--in psychological terms--be with a person or body which she viewed as providing a new lease on life.

Clearly, Rick staying put to rise in the ranks of the CRM places him in a position to make strategic moves against the organization (but it goes without saying that the ever-suspicious Beale is expecting betrayal), and its the only way he can keep Jadis from releasing the file, which would endanger his loved ones.

"Grimes 68" spray-painted on a wall...meaning? Is "68" Rick's birth year? Rick tried to escape 68 times before officially giving up?

Jadis, despite her threats to all Rick cares about, still shows some attraction to him, but one of his parting comments about her "shit haircut" was unexpected, but funny because its always been true. Jadis wondering why Rick did not escape with Michonne had me thinking she was implying more than his hanging back to kill Jadis...more as in some sort of growing relationship with Thorne, but the former reason may be closer to the truth.

Lincoln and Gurira are so incredibly talented, making their relationship saga so engaging and believable that they almost make one forget this is part of a survival horror TV franchise. Without question, the romance of Rick & Michonne is the most compelling and naturalistic of any ever created for TWD franchise. Three episodes in, and The Ones Who Live has replaced Daryl Dixon as the best WD spin-off series.

Next: "What We" - Rick and Michonne on the run? Not quite, as Rick tires hard to convince Michonne that they need to be afraid of the CRM.

GRADE: A+.
 
The next episode after falling out of the Helicopter they'll take refuge in a building and run into

Travis. :nyah:

"Grimes 68" spray-painted on a wall...meaning? Is "68" Rick's birth year? Rick tried to escape 68 times before officially giving up?
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Considering it was on the wall near where the Consignees are killing walkers I think it was the record for most walkers killed in a shift or without a break or something.
 
And whatever Thorne learned from the Echelon briefing was enough to make her actually understand why the CRM is destroying other settlements. It better be something logical...

The Civic Republic Military isn't allowed to operate within the city? How is this enforced? What's stopping the CRM from seizing total control then?
 
Considering it was on the wall near where the Consignees are killing walkers I think it was the record for most walkers killed in a shift or without a break or something.

If so, i find the nod kid of silly, since the ZA has been going on for more than a decade, so I would expect that anyone still living up to the series timeline would be as proficient in killing Walkers as Rick.
 
That video does contain some interesting speculation as well as reveal some easter eggs I've missed so far in TOWL.
 
Sort of interesting theories about who might show up in The Ones Who Live:

The Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live Just Teased Morgan’s Return Explained

I am wondering if that is the case. ANd if so... how would it work? So he might be the one that Carol said has returned... and it might make sense if he and Carol drove together up the coast, where he splits off to go to the CRM while Carol heads to Maine.... which is a part that really confuses me. Wouldn't the CRM be really be protective of their area. Would they really let a network grow between Maine to New York to Virginia?

Also he has his daughter with him... is he gonna follow the TWD pattern of behavior that in the "real" world would call out Child Protective Services, or will she join him?



So for this latest episode... i have felt like @TREK_GOD_1 has given "too many" A+ to shows like TWD and Black Lightning... but if that is his grade for episode 4, I would actually agree.

This episode was written by Michonne Herself, Danai Gurira. That early segment felt like it was from a stage play, which herself has also written & acted in. Now, i mean that in the best way possible -- it has that feel, but also fits that specific scene.

I also appreciate the way they have presented things that made us think "why are they doing this" but then addressing it in the next episode/later on, so that they are smart enough to see what we're seeing/thinking.

For example, the RJ reveal makes so much sense.... that we were wondering when Rick will find out. And he does so through Michonne talking about children, but Rick noting she never mentioned that before.


My wife and i were watching this, and their arguing was just like us.... my wife siding with Michonne, where i was trying to justify Rick's attitude. I still don't understand how Michonne can't see the real threat by the CRM.... they have gas bombs and missiles. She knows darn well Alexandria can not compete with that. ANd them escaping (at least at the beginning) --- how would they be able to make it to literally across the country (they were in the Washington state region, right?)


Now, did i hear correctly...did Rick say that Thorne has shifted back to CRM loyal? That's what it sounded like , and it's what i seem to be observing from her words/actions so far.

And the previews for episode 5 -- Michonne saying they have to go back... shocking, yet logical.

Again, this episode showed that whatever movies they had planned...i don't think they could have worked as well as this as a TV show has done...

And also random thought -- so they have just stopped doing The Talking Dead totally , right? Neither Chris Hardwick nor Nicole Yvette Brown has done any videos? i kinda miss those shows.... though later seasons felt more like just propaganda for AMC....the early shows felt more fan reaction-type.
 
ANd them escaping (at least at the beginning) --- how would they be able to make it to literally across the country (they were in the Washington state region, right?)
Eh, Morgan seemed to have no problem travelling from Virginia to Texas when he was ported over to Fear, so there's precedent if Rick and Michonne really do make it from Washington state back to Philadelphia, or even if they do make it to Virginia.
so they have just stopped doing The Talking Dead totally , right?
Indeed although last year during Fear, Dead City and Darryl they had brief five minute behind the scene segments where they interviewed writers and actors. Doesn't seem like they're even doing that this year.
 
I doubt Rick and Michonne are in Washington State, that's literally on the other end of the continent from Philadelphia. If they're near "Washington" then it's DC.
 
I doubt Rick and Michonne are in Washington State, that's literally on the other end of the continent from Philadelphia. If they're near "Washington" then it's DC.
They stated last week the new CRM outpost Rick and Thorne have been setting up is on the west coast.
 
Eh, Morgan seemed to have no problem travelling from Virginia to Texas when he was ported over to Fear, so there's precedent if Rick and Michonne really do make it from Washington state back to Philadelphia, or even if they do make it to Virginia.

Oops...i didn't finish my thought. Yeah, RIck and MIchonne could travel from Washington State to Virginia ...but at best, they could do it in MAYBE 5 days, if they had enough fuel?

But the CRM could do it in a day with a helicopter in just a full day, right? And just hours if they had any planes left.

ANd if they had sattelite communications, or or even just something cross country -- no time.

ANd with the CRM weapons, Alexandria could be full of the dead by the time Rick & Michonne got there.

But the previews seem to have Michonne realize this.
 
As someone who lives in the Puget Sound region, I wonder where the producers/writers think this colony can be set up.

The most logical location would be the Whidbey Island Naval Air Station, since it is located on an island in The Salish Sea/Puget Sound and is only accessible by ferry or Deception Pass.

Deception Pass can easily be blocked off and seizing control of the ferry's wouldn't be a problem.

My only concern would be, that during the initial outbreak, everyone and their mother would be heading for the nearest marina to try and grab a boat, any boat, and head out towards the San Juan Islands.

Whidbey Island is the largest island in the San Juan's and everyone would make a beeline for it, overwhelming the population and the naval air station.

If the base Commander is able to keep his sailors in line and co-ordinate with the civilian government in Oak Harbor, the largest town on the island, they could sweep the island and secure it from both the dead and the living.

Alternatively, they could follow Max Brooks example in the novel 'World War Z' and have Wenatchee be the home of the colony.

The city is bordered by the Wenatchee River to the north, the Columbia River to the east and the Cascade Mountains to the south and west.

There are only three highways that lead into Wenatchee, one crosses the Wenatchee River, the other two, the Columbia.

Secure/block those three bridges, and the living and the dead have to try and make it across a pair of rivers located at the bottom of the Columbia River Gorge.

Wenatchee itself, sits at the base of the Cascade Mountains, so there's no chance of anyone living or dead hiking across the mountain range.
 
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