Nope I haven't gotten around to checking out World Beyond yet.You might have missed (understandably) Walking Dead World Beyond. The CRM totally was behind the destruction of Omaha. The question would be why. Major General Beale seems totally rational and intelligent, from his brief interaction with Rick.
Not that it's all that good, but you definitely get a taste of the CRM and what they are setting up. It's too bad they did a 5 year time jump at the start of Those Who Live because it would be nice to see some of the transition from righteous to self-righteousNope I haven't gotten around to checking out World Beyond yet.
The entire two seasons of World Beyond take place over the course of something like two or three months, according to the series finale.The timing here, though, is going to be crazy. Because in WOrld Beyond, they also showed the destruction, but also were showing that Portland was next but i don't recall the timeframe of like if that was supposed to happen within the next week, or was there some prep time needed to make that happen. (There was supposed to be some chemicals used but a mian character in World Beyond destroyed them before they could be taken to Portland).
Given this series seems to take place in the Walking Dead franchise's present, and even the start of this episode is five years after Rick's arrival with the CRM, the nuclear explosion on Fear is already several years in the past and therefore there doesn't seem to be any need to mention it, outside of a throwaway reference to "the radiation zone in Texas" or something.i wonder if anything from Fear will be mentioned (i.e. i would think they would have noticed a nuclear explosion!)
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i wonder if anything from Fear will be mentioned
Okafor tells Rick he was the pilot carrying out the mission Operation Cobalt on Los Angeles, as seen in FTWD, just as he had been responsible for the Napalm drop on Atlanta as seen in season 1 of TWD.
Really random and silly question, when did the Fireplace channel on TV become a thing? I noticed when Rick busted into Okafor's apartment, the TV was on the Fireplace channel? Is that something that was around before 2010 and therefore can exist in the WD world, or did the CRM apparently think it up on their apparent own?
What always amazes me about these zombie movies is how, well, the zombies win in the end. If humans do one thing well, it's killing other beings, whether they're alive or undead. I can obviously imagine panic and confusion at the beginning, big losses, but not the complete collapse of civilization.I watched the preview yesterday and really didn't learn anything new.
The one thing I'm have a hard time believing, is that in a world 10-15 years into a zombie outbreak, is that there's functional military equipment, or any equipment for that matter..
Symbolism. A trapped animal will chew off its own leg to get away.My only complaint is Rick cutting off hand. That made zero sense.
I understand why everyone is saying that...but i think the point is supposed to show how desperate & hopeless things have become for Rick. We have seen this scenario with Fear....and our heroes letting themselves be subjugated like that for waaaaaay too long. SOmeone had mentioned cutting the cord -- i am assuming it is of strong enough material to resist an ax, which should be just dull enough to to kill Walkers (called "Delts" here.... anyone know why? Deltas?The Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live - Season one premiere - "Years"
NOTES:
After a couple of teases during the run of The Walking Dead, Rick finally loses a hand, mirroring the comic. While Rick's sense of gutting loss and desperation were--as noted above--palpable, I do find his self-amputation extreme for shock's sake, rather than a sound strategy, considering the fact his makeshift tourniquet was not successfully stopping his bleeding, and after his burning walker cauterization, he still passed out. After more than a decade of honing his physical and intellectual survivor's skills, its hard to buy Rick cutting off his own hand as a means to escape the CRM guard's leash, especially when his sharpened axe would have severed the cable with a couple of forceful hacks.
But was Okafor a villain here? Seems more like the hero-mentor / catalyst for Rick to do his thing.Actor Craig Tate's Okafor is a class on how to build a powerful, single-purpose character: peeling away the layers to reveal he's not only lived though dark times of his own, but instead of being the usual WD psychopath born from the fires of personal loss, he took said loss as the inspiration to turn what he believes is humankind's last, best chance for restoration away from the uncompromising absolutism practiced by its leader, General Beale.
Okafor's mounting pain as he recalled killing his wife fully humanized him, as he--up to this point--seemed to have never had anyone else challenge him on life, death and loved ones, which broke down painful floodgates so sympathetically portrayed, despite the character's history of government-sanctioned mass murder.
So, Okafor's history ties TWD universe together, as he was one of the pilots who bombed Atlanta when Lori, Shane, Carl, Sophia, Carol and Ed watched in disbelief. Similarly, he was responsible for Los Angeles' fiery demise ("Operation Cobalt") as witnessed by Stand, Daniel, Ofelia and the Clark family in FTWD.
Yeah, i definitely appreciate his quick development, in a logical way.Granted, this kind of " change from within" plot is not uncommon in TWD's history (e.g., Milton and Woodbury, Mercer & Maxine with The Commonwealth, et al.), but undoubtedly, Okafor was a character who had more understandable, personal motivations for change, which gave Rick a means of relating, as opposed to seeing his superior only as a wall to knock down in the predictable hero vs. villain story trope.
Romantic relationships across the WD's TV history have not always been strong, believable, or interesting enough to spend script pages on, but Rick and Michonne--the couple initially doubted by a number of TWD viewers as being "unlikely"--feels authentic. Rick's dreams of meeting Michonne (as a mystery woman) in the most domestic, peaceful setting spoke to the depth of the characters' chemistry--how natural a fit they were for each other, even as Rick fantasized about meeting her in a new, dream reality for the first time. Rick's last fantasy (coming right after he's trashed all physical connections to his old life) was all the evidence one needed to know he could not fully commit himself to the CRM, which Okafor--in the last moments of his life--expressed on his face.
The CRM boasts two cities with a population numbering well past 200,000. While this might make the CRM the largest survivor group in TV-TWD history (the Commonwealth communities had more than 50,000 in the Midwest and the South), there's still the question of the numbers comprising the Pouvoir Du Vivant group from Daryl Dixon, which (I believe) had taken over most of Paris and other regions within France, and has an active seafaring fleet and satellite organizations in the United States. At present, its difficult to ascertain the population of Dead City's New Babylon Federation or The Burazi, but The Dama implied the Manhattan-based organization could expand to the north of the city.
Finally, Andrew Lincoln hit it out of the park with his performance, and its many stages of emotional chaos. He has evolved the characterization of Rick Grimes, not content to pick up where the character left off on the parent series. Rick feels like a real person.
Next: "Gone", which picks up on Michonne's quest since leaving Alexandria, and the conflicts she's faced with new allies, who just so happen to be enemies of the CRM...
GRADE: A.
I thought TWD was past it's Prime once they got past season 9. I thought I would find Fear interesting, but stopped watching it about four episodes in the season 2 because it just became more of the same for me. The one with the high school kids to me was just laughable. They weren't even trying anymore in my opinion at that point.
I saw Dead City, and the Daryl goes to France series and wasn't impressed by either from their first episodes on. But they were both short enough that I watched them to the end, and my response was 'meh'.
Those Who Live was the first post TWD series that I honestly really enjoyed the first episode of quite a bit. And it's not because it was Rick and Michonne; but because I thought episode was decently written, and I liked the journey that Rick went through in the episode. I was so old that I was actually quite surprised when that helicopter got shot down, but I have to admit as soon as it was shot down and I saw other people coming in to cut down the surviving crew members, you knew that Michonne was going to be one of them and come up and almost skewer Rick before she realized who he was.
And even though yeah, you can call it small Universe syndrome; but I didn't mind it because that just means it's going to move the story along. YMMV.
First post TWD Series where I'm actually interested in seeing, and looking forward to episode 2.
I don't t think it was simultaneous.... the time frames for both were pretty vague.That's what I don't get. I thought the firebombings of Los Angeles/West Coast and Atlanta/East Coast occurred simultaneously. Although it was shown to be night in L.A. and daytime in Atlanta. So, early morning in Atlanta, middle of the night in L.A.? There's no way those fighter jets could have made it across the United States without midair refueling and stopping somewhere to rearm. It's a logistical nightmare, especially with the way things were shown to be breaking down in the final days before the bombings. I'm sure there would have been mass desertion on the part of the armed forces at that point. Okafor should only have been responsible for the bombing of Atlanta and rebelling against the bombing of Philadelphia.
Yeah.... seems a little odd for RIck... but also brings back the comic as well, where RIck lost his hand really early in the comic series.Symbolism. A trapped animal will chew off its own leg to get away.
That's what I don't get. I thought the firebombings of Los Angeles/West Coast and Atlanta/East Coast occurred simultaneously. Although it was shown to be night in L.A. and daytime in Atlanta. So, early morning in Atlanta, middle of the night in L.A.? There's no way those fighter jets could have made it across the United States without midair refueling and stopping somewhere to rearm.
But was Okafor a villain here? Seems more like the hero-mentor / catalyst for Rick to do his thing.
You didn't really talk about Beale -- while his appearance is brief, it seems very clear he is a charismatic and smart man. Definitely can be one of the top TWD villains.I think Terry also did a masterclass as well.
I very much hope they will show that Beale was smart enough to know what Okafur was doing, and that perhaps that last mission was intended to get him and RIck killed.... Beale just didn't anticipate RIck could survive the crash but also see his wife just before she would have killed him.
(Though that scene would have made more sense if RIck spoke... she had no reason to remove his helmet otherwise)
Hopefully they also show's Beale's conflict --- he is obviously quite grateful for OKafur saving his army, and willing to kill his wife to do so. So he wouldn't have done this lightly
Yeah,that is a true observation about Rick's POV. but Okafur to me seems similar to Mercer in the last TWD arc in that he started off righteous, and really does want to do the right thing, but is seeing that the system he is currently serving is corrupt and needs to be changed. But Okafur was much farther down that path than Mercer was, and is the one "instigating" rather than following an insitgator.Rick viewed him--and anyone refusing to set him free--as a villain, until he learned what price Okafor paid to help build the CR.
i was just curious your take on Beale as a villain so far.I held off on that, since its clear the writers were just teasing his suspicious behavior about Rick, but were not going to have him play his hand until Okafor was no longer in the picture.
Interesting idea, however, unless Beale set up the trip to either fly into hostile territory, and had an assassin on the ground waiting for the flyover, there would be no way for Beale to guarantee the death of all involved. From the looks of things, Michonne's new allies were responsible for taking the helicopter down; if Michonne is all in with those who are fighting the CRM, Rick should take that as his opportunity to finally escape from the CRM (5th time's the charm?), and he would have no reason not to, since he barely decided to forget his past and join the CRM's cause. The motivation for joining (the idea he would never see his family again) no longer has weight for him.
Oh without a doubt... but Michonne was just stabbing people straight up as soon as she got to them. They never had a chance to plea for their lives.. She didn't have a reason to take off Rick's helmet. If he simply said "WHo are you people?" or really anything with his voice, that would be have a logical prompt for Michonne to pause and take off his helmet, because the voice sounded familiar, and she would want to verify that she wasn't going crazy...and then the reunion would have made total sense. It's a minor nitpick , but we are on TrekBBSGood point, but they had to see each other, and after so many years (in-universe and out), there was no way the 1st episode would end without a face to face reunion.
That's true... but i think that's something that came over time... and especially Okafur's trust in Rick.Grateful, but he has to be a bit paranoid that the price others paid for him might come back to do him in. Note his questioning Rick about Okafor--that did not sound like a leader who deeply trusts even those he's authorized to serve in leadership positions.
I didn't even consider that. That makes sense the next episode will be "Previously, with Michonne's life" (especially as Danai Guira is a co-writer). But that will make the structure/pacing of the series make more senseThe only thing that I don't like is we have to wait until episode 3 to see Rick explain why he is a soldier for Michonne's enemies.
It will be interesting to see Michonne's side though.
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