United Earth? New Horizons & Nationalism

[velour]

The impression I received is that both Bela Okmyx and Jojo Krako were located in different parts of the same city. Oxmyx might have had the largest territory in the largest city (equivalent to New York?), but more likely it was a territory like that of one of New York's five families in the '50s and '60's, and not a sizable percentage of the planet's surface.

Remember the scene where Kirk and Spock got into one of those classic cars. Kirk had trouble with the clutch. I can't imagine that Kirk and Spock travelled very far with Kirk's lousy driving skills, yet they got from one boss' territory to another. A few blocks at most, I would guess.

So, you're probably right, the entire mob territory must have been contained in one city. You can't get far in those cars, like from one side of the planet to another, to make a hit.

 

[Ithekro]

One wonders if the contamination was isolated to an area the size of Chicago and the surrounding metropolitan area (which is quite large). While the rest of the planet remained as they had been a hundred years prior to Enterprise's arrival.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

The impression I received is that both Bela Okmyx and Jojo Krako were located in different parts of the same city. Oxmyx might have had the largest territory in the largest city (equivalent to New York?), but more likely it was a territory like that of one of New York's five families in the '50s and '60's, and not a sizable percentage of the planet's surface.

Remember the scene where Kirk and Spock got into one of those classic cars. Kirk had trouble with the clutch. I can't imagine that Kirk and Spock travelled very far with Kirk's lousy driving skills, yet they got from one boss' territory to another. A few blocks at most, I would guess.

So, you're probably right, the entire mob territory must have been contained in one city. You can't get far in those cars, like from one side of the planet to another, to make a hit.

In fairness, all it takes to get from one territory to another in a short time is a shared border. The fact that it's possible to walk from the US to Canada in seconds if you have the right starting point doesn't negate the massive distance that exists between Texas and Nunavut...

 

[T'Girl]

Near the beginning of the episode we see a "hit" by a handful of Krako's men on a man near Okmyx office. So Krako had a single car drive all the way from (the equivalent of) Ottawa to Washington DC to shoot a single person on a sidewalk? As opposed to driving from the other side of town?

Also, Kalo (one of Okmyx men) was able to visually identify the gunmen in the car as being from Krako's organization.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Oxmyx says he has the biggest territory in "the world". Neither Kirk nor Spock make any mention of any other civilization - advanced or otherwise - on the planet.

There are any number of possible reasons why the various bosses' headquarters were so closely located to each other, but the idea that Kirk would create a unified world government that was in fact just small national sized government is not supported by any available evidence.

By the way, each of the two big syndicates had their soldiers wear a distinctive hat, which made them easy to identify.

 

[Ithekro]

Star Trek (and other series) have a habit of having all of civilizations in a small area regardless of the Earthly ideal of civilizations all over the planet.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Star Trek (and other series) have a habit of having all of civilizations in a small area regardless of the Earthly ideal of civilizations all over the planet.

Totally.

One of TV Tropes' entries on the subject:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Planetville

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Near the beginning of the episode we see a "hit" by a handful of Krako's men on a man near Okmyx office. So Krako had a single car drive all the way from (the equivalent of) Ottawa to Washington DC to shoot a single person on a sidewalk? As opposed to driving from the other side of town?

Also, Kalo (one of Okmyx men) was able to visually identify the gunmen in the car as being from Krako's organization.

A) Why not? This is the code they've decided to live by, after all.

B) They could easily all be in one city or group of cities and still have collective control of the whole planet. Capitols and Headquarters are not always centralized or even remotely well buffered.

If it makes you feel any better, think of the city seen in the episode as the Iotian's version of Jerusalem - one small part of a much larger whole, but still, the part that everyone wants a piece of. (Maybe because that's where the book is from?)

 

[Sci]

I love how a serious discussion of nationalism vs. internationalism has devolved into an attempt to realistically analyze the Chicago Mobsters Planet.

 

[FormerLurker]

Well, ten more pages and we'll be discussing Landru's planet, and how the people of the valley are reputed to do things differently. Whether they actually do or not, we are never told.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I love how a serious discussion of nationalism vs. internationalism has devolved into an attempt to realistically analyze the Chicago Mobsters Planet.

Does that mean this thread has become Krako'ed?

 

[MacLeod]

Well, ten more pages and we'll be discussing Landru's planet, and how the people of the valley are reputed to do things differently. Whether they actually do or not, we are never told.

The Red Hour approaches

 

[Jedi_Master]

I love how a serious discussion of nationalism vs. internationalism has devolved into an attempt to realistically analyze the Chicago Mobsters Planet.

Does that mean this thread has become Krako'ed?

By the way, Sci, I think you have posted here long enough that you shouldn't be surprised by the twists and turns that discussions take on this forum.

 

[Ithekro]

Everyone knows people do things different in the Valley. Like, for sure.

 

[T'Girl]

Wait, we're supposedly having a serious discussion of nationalism?

Oops.