I was saying quite a lot about the Trill recently. I noticed that, despite them having one main charatter in a series, not much is known abiut them. Their culture, their planet, they evolution - it is all barely touched upon. all nearly all we do know about them is focused on the joining. I understand this is a part of their culture, but even then, it is not fully explored. Can you tell me what we do know about the Trill and your interpreattion of it? In addition, I am interested in knowing what do you think their fiction and non - fiction and form of liternature, films... etcwould be. And, what do we know and what do you think, what can be deduced about the Trill planet's ecosystem(s)? What can you tell me?
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I can mention one idea that they pretty much abandoned - in their TNG appearance (The Host), unjoined hosts had little mind or personality of their own, and it was pretty much all symbiont. For example, when Kareel arrives and before she's joined to Odan, she's very robotic and unemotional.
In DS9, it became more of a blending - personality-wise - between host and symbiont.
Oh, and there's the thing about "re-association". If two particular (joined) Trill are married, those symbionts' subsequent hosts are forbidden from resuming their relationship.
In DS9, it became more of a blending - personality-wise - between host and symbiont.
Oh, and there's the thing about "re-association". If two particular (joined) Trill are married, those symbionts' subsequent hosts are forbidden from resuming their relationship.
I think this may be a cultural thing. I mean, Odan may be more culturally strict than Dax...
No, it was definitely an actual Trill law.
Back in the day, there were two symbionts - Dax and Kahn - who were married. Torias Dax and Nilani Kahn. Then Torias died. Years later, the symbionts' hosts were now Jadzia Dax and Lenara Kahn. They realized they were still into each other and tried to pick up where they left off. But Trill laws kept them from doing so.
As for the planet's ecosystem: Oceans on the planet Trill are purple. That's pretty much all we know.
Oh, and in the novels, Trill's military (pre-Federation membership) is called the Trill Private Service.
I know about the anti - reassociation law. What I find strange about it is why its so strong for fomance, but not applied AT ALL to friendships, or interests in alien cultures, or anything. And even applying that to marriages. I mean, Jadzia Dax pretty much was so engaged in Klingon culture because of her memeories of Curzon... It played an important role in her marriage to Worf. It drew a lot from curzon;s memories. But no one had any problems with that. Why?
Also, I think the purple color of the ocans can become a basic for theorizing about chemical composition and so on...
Also, I think the purple color of the ocans can become a basic for theorizing about chemical composition and so on...
I think it's generally agreed that the "re-association" law is just the writers' excuse to keep Jadzia and Lenara's relationship forbidden.
Of course there's no problem with same-SEX relationships by Trek's time, but the show needed an excuse as for why they couldn't still be with each other. Re-association was just a metaphor, really. There still has to be a prejudice, it just can't have anything to do with actual physical sex.
Of course there's no problem with same-SEX relationships by Trek's time, but the show needed an excuse as for why they couldn't still be with each other. Re-association was just a metaphor, really. There still has to be a prejudice, it just can't have anything to do with actual physical sex.
I realize what it is supposed to represent. Still, I wonder how they justify this disparity "in - universe". I guess there is argument to be made about keeping past identities separate to avoid loosing your own... But then other things should be included too. Besides, what;s the point of joining anyway, then?
AFAIK, this has never been dealt with onscreen, but it was heavily suggested in the novel Unjoined that re-association exists to keep Trill from learning too much about its past.
Specifically, the thing about the bluegill parasites - the aliens from TNG's Conspiracy ep. In the novel, the bluegills are mutated Trill symbionts who live on a planet called Kurl, and a TPS squadron bombards Kurl with biological and chemical weapons to wipe the bluegills out. It's implied that re-association laws were intended to erase all memory of this.
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Well, that's... an interesting theory. I knew about
Good point.
the Trill - Bluegill connection from Memory Beta, but had no idea anti - Reassociation laws have anything to do with it.
Presumably it doesn't apply to them since Worf is Klingon and not Trill.
I thought it might be that Ezri thought of it as comforting each other in a scary situation, rather than a relationship that would last long term.
It was pretty obvious to Ezri, and the audience. Not so obvious to Worf.
Well, Worf wass terribly confused. It's not like things like that are usual in Star Trek universe, to have someone carry memories of your dead spouse. The closest thing I can think of is Vulcan katra transfer. And even, it is supposed to be only temporary. So, it is very strange and... alien.
As for Ezri and reassociation, I think everyone cut her a slack because her joining itself was a sacrifice and they didn't want to make it harder for her to additionally worry about some laws... Not to mention, it would scare other Trills off from doing what Ezri did, and, since a war was going on, it was quite possible something like that would happen again...
As for Ezri and reassociation, I think everyone cut her a slack because her joining itself was a sacrifice and they didn't want to make it harder for her to additionally worry about some laws... Not to mention, it would scare other Trills off from doing what Ezri did, and, since a war was going on, it was quite possible something like that would happen again...
I wanna know which weirdo was the first to stick the slug in it's guts. Was that the plan all along?
It is certainly curious. Why would anyone do that? Let's talk about it. First, what do you think would be the immediate benefit (for first host)?
Didn’t they establish that there was some telepathic component in play? What with the Guardians being able to somehow converse with the unjoined symbionts swimming in those underground pools. So I don’t think some curious Trill just randomly decided one day to cut their guts open and stick one of those slugs inside. My guess would be that it was something that came about through talking to them via some form of telepathy. Maybe some latent form of joining is even possible without the symbiont being inserted into a host. So that’s how they found out that symbiosis could be a thing.
But then again, there’s so many things in our real world where you just gotta wonder how and why humans ever came up with it in the first. I always think that when I look at mold cheese, for example. Who was the first human who just had to find out how that moldy piece of old milk would taste.
But then again, there’s so many things in our real world where you just gotta wonder how and why humans ever came up with it in the first. I always think that when I look at mold cheese, for example. Who was the first human who just had to find out how that moldy piece of old milk would taste.
Have we really seen the Trill at all? Actually we always see people with symbionts. And these are parasitic lifeforms that go "Hey it'd be great if you put me in you. It's a great deal. Plus.. oh yeah.. you can't remove me ever."
I mean removing them kills the host, it's not a good deal.
The only people that can say it are good are those already 'infected'.
And as to the question above as to who was the first person to have the worm in them... well I imagine that would be involuntary/an accident. Like a Trill fell unconscious near the symbiont pool. Then they come out and go "Guys, I have a great idea!"
I mean removing them kills the host, it's not a good deal.
The only people that can say it are good are those already 'infected'.
And as to the question above as to who was the first person to have the worm in them... well I imagine that would be involuntary/an accident. Like a Trill fell unconscious near the symbiont pool. Then they come out and go "Guys, I have a great idea!"
I do have somewhat of a feeling there is some foul play involved. I mean, this entire culture seems to be made to facilitate joining, to show how superior joined Trill are to unjoined and keep them in power. The government lied about how much Trill can be joined, keeping their "elitist" status. And I have a feeling Trills who don't want to be joined are considered "strange" at best and frowned upon at worst.
Also, is anyone willing to write a more detailed theory how the joining started, so we can discuss it?
Also, is anyone willing to write a more detailed theory how the joining started, so we can discuss it?
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