Tom and B'Elanna's Wedding

[hux]

We never actually got to see it. We just saw the proposal (note: Paris thought they were going to explode ). Then at the end of the episode, we see the Delta flyer with "Just Married" written on the back.

So they found the time to show us the biomimetic imposter wedding in Course: Oblivion but couldn't be bothered showing us the actual wedding? Didn't even re-use some of the footage from that fake wedding.

So who was best man? (surely Harry). Who got drunk and embarrassed themselves? (surely Seven). Did the captain officiate? Who caught the bouquet? And so on and so forth.

Would you have liked to have had a proper wedding episode?

 

[stardream]

I think they probably showed up in Janeway's office all disheveled from their recent adventure and said "We want to get married NOW." She would have tried to put them off but they would have been insistent. She would then call in all the Bridge crew to serve as witnesses and that would be that. Neelix would insist on throwing a party, the Doctor may or may not have been happy...Seven and Tuvok would stand to the side looking slightly amused by it all. Harry would be crying.

But to answer the question it would have been nice to see but I would like to have seen it done differently than the copies in Course Oblivion.

 

[2takesfrakes]

Considering where STAR TREK was at the time, I seriously doubt the audience would've seen their wedding get out of hand, as such. And wedding episodes can so easily turn sappy. As much of a cheat as it was, I probably would've agreed, from a production point of view, to not show the wedding, because of those limitations. Even showing women getting all animalistic and knocking eachother over to catch the bouquet was unthinkable, because this is STAR TREK and Starfleet and whatever other leash you'd want to put on there. But from a fandom point of view, I would've liked to have seen some of the wedding, sure ...

 

[Paradise City]

I don't mind an episode beginning with a wedding or concluding in one. I don't want an episode about a wedding though. Data's Day just needed to be done once. I'm grateful we were spared the "the weddings off and, no, she won't change her mind" routine.

But this is the thing about Voyager for me. They strangled time travel so much, punched a hole where the reset button used to be - so much so that it's sometimes hard to know what these characters got up to. Until the OP I wasn't 100% sure whether they actually got married or not, whether it was the duplicates or in some timeline that was promptly erased...etc.

 

[hux]

I hate that they turned B'Elanna from a ballsy, independent woman into a nagging... where is this relationship going... fishwife.

But a wedding episode (with a self-aware gaseous anomaly or an amusing time warp) would have been a laugh.

 

[Kilana2]

With Naomi and Neelix as bridesmaids.....

 

[stardream]

I hate that they turned B'Elanna from a ballsy, independent woman into a nagging... where is this relationship going... fishwife.

But a wedding episode (with a self-aware gaseous anomaly or an amusing time warp) would have been a laugh.

You mean an unhappy angry women with low self esteem and with little to no self acceptance? YMMV of course.

When did she nag about the relationship? The only episode I can think of off hand is DRIVE and that was only for a couple of scenes.

 

[hux]

You mean an unhappy angry women with low self esteem and with little to no self acceptance? YMMV of course.

When did she nag about the relationship? The only episode I can think of off hand is DRIVE and that was only for a couple of scenes.

Seriously?

Her whole arc for me was one of becoming conventional and eventually even someone who was quite weak. I never saw her that way until after she started seeing Tom. She was the one who butted heads with Janeway and had left-field ideas for dealing with situations. The arrival of Seven admittedly took that role away from and she slowly morphed into a mentally unstable, needy wife.

It was established early on that her Klingon side was pivotal in her strength. So much so that we had the ridiculous "Faces" episode where human B'Elanna is weak, pathetic and scared. Why? Are other humans weak, pathetic and scared? Was Picard, Janeway, Sisko? They nail her strength to her Klingon half.

I never sensed any such lack of self-acceptance or self-esteem until it was pushed on her later in the show. She eventually turns into a woman who has a mental health breakdown then again when she tries to resequence her baby's appearance.

That was not the woman I saw in the first two seasons.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

It would have been nice but they did kind of have a wedding, in Course Obvilion. Not technically Tom and B'Elanna but still. It was a lovely ceremony.

Maybe they weren't the "wedding types."

I'm a sucker for weddings

 

[stardream]

Seriously?

Her whole arc for me was one of becoming conventional and eventually even someone who was quite weak. I never saw her that way until after she started seeing Tom. She was the one who butted heads with Janeway and had left-field ideas for dealing with situations. The arrival of Seven admittedly took that role away from and she slowly morphed into a mentally unstable, needy wife.

It was established early on that her Klingon side was pivotal in her strength. So much so that we had the ridiculous "Faces" episode where human B'Elanna is weak, pathetic and scared. Why? Are other humans weak, pathetic and scared? Was Picard, Janeway, Sisko? They nail her strength to her Klingon half.

I never sensed any such lack of self-acceptance or self-esteem until it was pushed on her later in the show. She eventually turns into a woman who has a mental health breakdown then again when she tries to resequence her baby's appearance.

That was not the woman I saw in the first two seasons.

Hmmm....ok. For whatever reason with the exception of a couple of episodes I tend to blank out when it comes to the first two seasons.
I do agree that her 'journey' got to be almost as tiresome as Seven's. How can B'Elanna work through her personal problems this week?
I didn't think it had anything to do with Tom though.

 

[hux]

Well to be fair, the new directions everyone went in were primarily due to Seven's arrival. Everyone suffered with the exception of Janeway and the Doctor. Chakotay got the worst of it while Tom, B'Elanna and Harry became a kind of Voyager B-team (I wish there'd been a character called Dick). I'm certain had Seven not arrived, B'Elanna would have maintained the role as the strong female character who butts heads with Janeway.

Once Seven took that role though, her relationship with Tom took precedence. I did enjoy it a lot at the beginning but felt she lost something as it went along.

I would have liked to have heard Harry's best man speech.

"Tom's first girlfriend was an Andorian. He dumped her because he was sick of feeling blue every night."

 

[Catarina]

Hux> It's actually not surprising as she's very insecure with who she is according to Barge of the Dead and the daddy abandonment flashbacks. This begs the question, Was she ever confident? Or compensating with bad attitude?

Oh, and no. I'd rather see an elopement of sorts. On the fly. I didn't like the wedding scene.

 

[hux]

Hux> It's actually not surprising as she's very insecure with who she is according to Barge of the Dead and the daddy abandonment flashbacks. This begs the question, Was she ever confident? Or compensating with bad attitude?

Oh, and no. I'd rather see an elopement of sorts. On the fly. I didn't like the wedding scene.

You need to quote me from now on Cat so that I can get one of those red alert thingys in the top right corner. It's the only excitement I get these days. I need the red alert thingy. I need it!

 

[Catarina]

:eyeroll: As you wish.

You need to quote me from now on Cat so that I can get one of those red alert thingys in the top right corner. It's the only excitement I get these days. I need the red alert thingy. I need it!

 

[Catarina]

Hux did you vote on your own poll? Are you a hopeless romantic? I said dark honestly. Divorce jades me :P

 

[Catarina]

With Naomi and Neelix as bridesmaids.....

brrrr...I didn't need an image of Neelix in a dress. (not saying you meant that. But I went there)

 

[hux]

You just haven't met the right hux yet, that's all.

 

[Catarina]

You just haven't met the right hux yet, that's all.

I think you answered my question. You hopeless romantic.

 

[hux]

Hux did you vote on your own poll? Are you a hopeless romantic? I said dark honestly. Divorce jades me :P

I'm just curious about something. In the alert preferences, it says I will be notified if I get a like, if someone posts in a watched thread, quotes me or mentions me in a post.

Well Catarina mentioned me here but I got no such notification.

Does it have to be bold or is it just bullshit?

Cat, did you get notified that I "mentioned" you?

 

[Catarina]

Yup, I was notified. But I'm not notified of likes, I just see them in my profile info which can be seen on any page.
I don't watch threads so I don't know the answer to that.