Time t get from DS9 to Earth ? How far was Bajor from Earth
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Depends on the plot.
It's never really said, but here's some pretty decent speculation for you.
http://www.coffeenebula.com/gazetteer/layout.php
A week or so ago, Timo linked to a couple of maps present in a Voyager scene that gives the position of the ship in the Delta Quadrant relative to the ends of the Bajoran wormhole, and Earth. I'd say the chart in the link is fairly close.
http://www.coffeenebula.com/gazetteer/layout.php
A week or so ago, Timo linked to a couple of maps present in a Voyager scene that gives the position of the ship in the Delta Quadrant relative to the ends of the Bajoran wormhole, and Earth. I'd say the chart in the link is fairly close.
I think a several different travel times were mentioned. It seemed Earth got closer every season.
Re: Time t get from DS9 to Earth ? How far was Bajor from Ea
In "Fascination", the star Regulus is said to be about 300 ly away from Bajor. Regulus is about 80 ly to the "lower right" of Earth in reality, when viewed with the galactic core to the top of the map; Bajor is supposedly to the "left" of Earth. So Bajor should be about 200 ly from Earth by that counting.
In "Defiant", Bashir pesters Kira about getting a runabout because he needs things from Vulcan "by the end of the week". That would suggest a distance of just a couple of runabout-days to Vulcan, and a couple more back... And Vulcan has finally been established to be 16 ly or four ENT-era or TMP-era warp-days from Earth, just like fan speculation has gone for the past three decades. It still remains fan speculation whether Vulcan equates 40 Eridani A, another star to the "lower right" of Earth. But in any case, this evidence would probably support a distance smaller than 200 ly; 50 might be a good guess.
Also, in "Way of the Warrior", Jake says he was on Earth "last Thursday", suggesting their ride (probably faster than runabout, quite possibly the Defiant) was able to span the distance in a week or less.
Personally, I'd go for the rough 50 ly distance, and ignore the two or three TOS references to significantly faster warp speeds. The Regulus thing is a bit bothersome, though. the exact dialogue went like this:
Perhaps Jake, sullen, angered and in any case not the brighest pixel in the LCARS panel, was exaggerating a bit? If we take him literally, though, Bajor should be between 220 and 380 ly from Earth, with the lower distance the likelier, given the known or supposed astrography of the situation.
Timo Saloniemi
In "Fascination", the star Regulus is said to be about 300 ly away from Bajor. Regulus is about 80 ly to the "lower right" of Earth in reality, when viewed with the galactic core to the top of the map; Bajor is supposedly to the "left" of Earth. So Bajor should be about 200 ly from Earth by that counting.
In "Defiant", Bashir pesters Kira about getting a runabout because he needs things from Vulcan "by the end of the week". That would suggest a distance of just a couple of runabout-days to Vulcan, and a couple more back... And Vulcan has finally been established to be 16 ly or four ENT-era or TMP-era warp-days from Earth, just like fan speculation has gone for the past three decades. It still remains fan speculation whether Vulcan equates 40 Eridani A, another star to the "lower right" of Earth. But in any case, this evidence would probably support a distance smaller than 200 ly; 50 might be a good guess.
Also, in "Way of the Warrior", Jake says he was on Earth "last Thursday", suggesting their ride (probably faster than runabout, quite possibly the Defiant) was able to span the distance in a week or less.
Personally, I'd go for the rough 50 ly distance, and ignore the two or three TOS references to significantly faster warp speeds. The Regulus thing is a bit bothersome, though. the exact dialogue went like this:
Perhaps Jake, sullen, angered and in any case not the brighest pixel in the LCARS panel, was exaggerating a bit? If we take him literally, though, Bajor should be between 220 and 380 ly from Earth, with the lower distance the likelier, given the known or supposed astrography of the situation.
Timo Saloniemi
Re: Time t get from DS9 to Earth ? How far was Bajor from Ea
But it could still be considered the edge of Federation space if that territory belonged to someone else. Bajor may have been one of the first worlds Humans surveyed, but when the Federation was formed, Bajor may have been one of many neighboring worlds that weren't originally invited or simply remained independent (until the Cardassians invaded it, that is).
I think travel times to and from DS9 depends on the speed of the particular vessel. Not every ship can or even will cruise at warp 6. Some ships have limited warp capability, and so it would take them weeks while other vessels could make the trip in just days. I think the DS9 Tech Manual mentioned something about specialized transport ships designed for high warp travel (Warp 9.999+ perhaps). Such ships probably can't maintain their speeds over extremely long distances, but 50 or so lightyears could be fairly easy...
But it could still be considered the edge of Federation space if that territory belonged to someone else. Bajor may have been one of the first worlds Humans surveyed, but when the Federation was formed, Bajor may have been one of many neighboring worlds that weren't originally invited or simply remained independent (until the Cardassians invaded it, that is).
I think travel times to and from DS9 depends on the speed of the particular vessel. Not every ship can or even will cruise at warp 6. Some ships have limited warp capability, and so it would take them weeks while other vessels could make the trip in just days. I think the DS9 Tech Manual mentioned something about specialized transport ships designed for high warp travel (Warp 9.999+ perhaps). Such ships probably can't maintain their speeds over extremely long distances, but 50 or so lightyears could be fairly easy...
Re: Time t get from DS9 to Earth ? How far was Bajor from Ea
Here's a wild thought - could Bajor and Cardassia have been located within the Delphic Expanse? It doesn't seem like Starfleet was all that eager to explore the former Expanse between the times of Enterprise and DS9. Spatial anomalies near Bajor could have helped deter the Cardassians from attempting to conquer the planet, and help explain why the Bajorans stopped developing their solar sail technology. Also, the Badlands could have developed from a spatial anomaly.
Here's a wild thought - could Bajor and Cardassia have been located within the Delphic Expanse? It doesn't seem like Starfleet was all that eager to explore the former Expanse between the times of Enterprise and DS9. Spatial anomalies near Bajor could have helped deter the Cardassians from attempting to conquer the planet, and help explain why the Bajorans stopped developing their solar sail technology. Also, the Badlands could have developed from a spatial anomaly.
Re: Time t get from DS9 to Earth ? How far was Bajor from Ea
Yeah, why not... Even the Badlands by themselves might discourage Cardassian/Bajoran expansion in certain directions, or Federation exploration in the opposite ones.
At least the Expanse could have extended to between Earth and several points of interest, without actually encompassing either Earth or those points. It may have been the main reason why the Klingons or the Romulans didn't try to expand on Earth territory before ENT, for example.
Things like that might come and go. How old was the Expanse? It was constantly expanding, and was about 2,000 ly across in the mid-22nd century by Vulcan guesswork. What would the expansion speed be? The border where Archer plunged in didn't seem to be expanding at high warp or anything... But the phenomenon might still be just a few centuries old, shaping the astropolitical reality of the neighborhood as it grew.
Timo Saloniemi
Yeah, why not... Even the Badlands by themselves might discourage Cardassian/Bajoran expansion in certain directions, or Federation exploration in the opposite ones.
At least the Expanse could have extended to between Earth and several points of interest, without actually encompassing either Earth or those points. It may have been the main reason why the Klingons or the Romulans didn't try to expand on Earth territory before ENT, for example.
Things like that might come and go. How old was the Expanse? It was constantly expanding, and was about 2,000 ly across in the mid-22nd century by Vulcan guesswork. What would the expansion speed be? The border where Archer plunged in didn't seem to be expanding at high warp or anything... But the phenomenon might still be just a few centuries old, shaping the astropolitical reality of the neighborhood as it grew.
Timo Saloniemi
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
Re: Time t get from DS9 to Earth ? How far was Bajor from Ea
Well considering the fact the majority of Federation space occupies the Alpha quadrant and Bajor is in deep space at the far end of federation space from Earth its safe to assume its a least 7,000 lightyears away.
Can anyone remember the Roswell episode where Nog and Quark etc were going to Earth in a ferengi shuttle, did it ever state how long it would take to get their and how fast they were travelling?
Well considering the fact the majority of Federation space occupies the Alpha quadrant and Bajor is in deep space at the far end of federation space from Earth its safe to assume its a least 7,000 lightyears away.
Can anyone remember the Roswell episode where Nog and Quark etc were going to Earth in a ferengi shuttle, did it ever state how long it would take to get their and how fast they were travelling?
Re: Time t get from DS9 to Earth ? How far was Bajor from Ea
Considering Bajor's close proximity to Earth, its a wonder we didn't see Kirk's crew hanging out with their Vedek chums on a weekly basis! I wonder why first contact took so long. Has there ever been a canon explanation of the Bajoran FC date?
Considering Bajor's close proximity to Earth, its a wonder we didn't see Kirk's crew hanging out with their Vedek chums on a weekly basis! I wonder why first contact took so long. Has there ever been a canon explanation of the Bajoran FC date?
Re: Time t get from DS9 to Earth ? How far was Bajor from Ea
I don't know, 52 lightyears is very close in term of the size of the galaxy or even a quadrant. Today that's not considered deep space let alone 300 years from now. We could detect planets at Bajor's star today at that close distance. To call it 'deep space' is quite a misnomer.
Robert
I don't know, 52 lightyears is very close in term of the size of the galaxy or even a quadrant. Today that's not considered deep space let alone 300 years from now. We could detect planets at Bajor's star today at that close distance. To call it 'deep space' is quite a misnomer.
Robert
Re: Time t get from DS9 to Earth ? How far was Bajor from Ea
Depends on what "deep space" means in the 24th century. They could well be fed up with the definition changing at each entry of a new distant member to the Federation. "Dear Abby, we did it 2,303 ly from Earth. Are we in the Deep Space Club now? Uncertain." "Dear Uncertain, not since last Tuesday any more. Sorry."
A very practical definition for "deep space" would be "space outside the Federation". And that does not involve any measure of distance. If the Moon seceded from the UFP, lunar orbit would become deep space by the definition.
Bajor was very clearly outside UFP territory, but OTOH it was also very clearly in the middle of territory contested by the UFP and one of its lesser arch-enemies in a recent war. Even if the Federation really is 8,000 ly across, most of its borders and contested regions seem to lie very close to Earth - the Romulan Neutral Zone, the Klingon space, the Cardassians, perhaps the Tholians. Bajor could easily be "out in the sticks" despite being very close to Earth, just like the suburbs of Richmond would be out of Union reach despite being proximal to the Union capital.
Timo Saloniemi
Depends on what "deep space" means in the 24th century. They could well be fed up with the definition changing at each entry of a new distant member to the Federation. "Dear Abby, we did it 2,303 ly from Earth. Are we in the Deep Space Club now? Uncertain." "Dear Uncertain, not since last Tuesday any more. Sorry."
A very practical definition for "deep space" would be "space outside the Federation". And that does not involve any measure of distance. If the Moon seceded from the UFP, lunar orbit would become deep space by the definition.
Bajor was very clearly outside UFP territory, but OTOH it was also very clearly in the middle of territory contested by the UFP and one of its lesser arch-enemies in a recent war. Even if the Federation really is 8,000 ly across, most of its borders and contested regions seem to lie very close to Earth - the Romulan Neutral Zone, the Klingon space, the Cardassians, perhaps the Tholians. Bajor could easily be "out in the sticks" despite being very close to Earth, just like the suburbs of Richmond would be out of Union reach despite being proximal to the Union capital.
Timo Saloniemi
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
Re: Time t get from DS9 to Earth ? How far was Bajor from Ea
OK, but at what warp was it stated it would take Voyager 70 years to travel 70,000 lightyears (thought it was 75,000 ly). Anyway, Voyager cannot sustain warp 9.975 all the way home so that 70 years might have been estimated for a standard warp 7 speed, when travelling between Bajor and Earth ships might travel at warp 9.9 for more prolongued periods of time with it not being as far, shaving off large amounts of time, we know it takes several months to get to Earth from Bajor as stated by Quark so its not unreasonable to assume the distance between the planets is around 7000 ly.
OK, but at what warp was it stated it would take Voyager 70 years to travel 70,000 lightyears (thought it was 75,000 ly). Anyway, Voyager cannot sustain warp 9.975 all the way home so that 70 years might have been estimated for a standard warp 7 speed, when travelling between Bajor and Earth ships might travel at warp 9.9 for more prolongued periods of time with it not being as far, shaving off large amounts of time, we know it takes several months to get to Earth from Bajor as stated by Quark so its not unreasonable to assume the distance between the planets is around 7000 ly.
Re: Time t get from DS9 to Earth ? How far was Bajor from Ea
When did Quark state anything like that?
7,000 ly was going to take the E-D about three years in "Q Who?". It's not very likely that this figure is far off the Starfleet norm for warp speeds. Indeed, it jibes quite well with VOY, where the speed would probably be cut to one third due to the greater number of pit stops required on a longer journey.
On the other hand, we have seen freighters that travel at warp 3 only. They'd take massively longer to make the run - 50 ly from Earth to Bajor might well take months.
(But why would Quark refer to such slowships, wherever he does this referring, when Ferengi ships large and small are supposedly among the fastest in the quadrant?)
Timo Saloniemi
When did Quark state anything like that?
7,000 ly was going to take the E-D about three years in "Q Who?". It's not very likely that this figure is far off the Starfleet norm for warp speeds. Indeed, it jibes quite well with VOY, where the speed would probably be cut to one third due to the greater number of pit stops required on a longer journey.
On the other hand, we have seen freighters that travel at warp 3 only. They'd take massively longer to make the run - 50 ly from Earth to Bajor might well take months.
(But why would Quark refer to such slowships, wherever he does this referring, when Ferengi ships large and small are supposedly among the fastest in the quadrant?)
Timo Saloniemi
Re: Time t get from DS9 to Earth ? How far was Bajor from Ea
On a 2D map it may appear that they are close. In 3D, one could be at the top of the edge of an area of space and the other on the bottom. I think the next Star Trek movie should address the entirety of Federation space, and the quadrants. Give us a map, please.
On a 2D map it may appear that they are close. In 3D, one could be at the top of the edge of an area of space and the other on the bottom. I think the next Star Trek movie should address the entirety of Federation space, and the quadrants. Give us a map, please.
Re: Time t get from DS9 to Earth ? How far was Bajor from Ea
This might be too much but Vulcan is supposed to be "right" of Earth. So judging from the change of direction Enterprise took onscreen ("downward to the right" away from Vulcan) when T'Pol decided not to go back to Vulcan before they went to the Expanse, it would be more toward Klingon Space, far away from Bajor/Cardassia.
This might be too much but Vulcan is supposed to be "right" of Earth. So judging from the change of direction Enterprise took onscreen ("downward to the right" away from Vulcan) when T'Pol decided not to go back to Vulcan before they went to the Expanse, it would be more toward Klingon Space, far away from Bajor/Cardassia.
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