The first option would be a trifle too close to the Governor's later storyline so I think they'll go with the latter option, Negan redeeming himself, if only partially and, like you suggest, probably dying as a result.
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The first option would be a trifle too close to the Governor's later storyline so I think they'll go with the latter option, Negan redeeming himself, if only partially and, like you suggest, probably dying as a result.
That was nice. Not particularly tense, but it had some good moments. I still didn't feel a thing for Jesus being dead. I'd forgotten he'd died to be honest.
Negen getting out in the mid-season finale was the bit I was looking forward to the least, but it really surprised me. I loved him taking a wistful look around the old headquarters with sad sounding music. A tad manipulative, but it's good to see how he's changed.
Judith is such a refreshing breath of fresh air in the series! Her shooting at Negen and carrying out her promise, followed by, "Don't swear asshole, I'm just a kid!"
I'm indifferent about Rosita being pregnant at the moment, though I felt sorry for Eugene.
I wonder what Darryl did that he was talking about with Michionne? I did love his moment where he went crazy on Whisperer lady (was her name Lydia?), only for her to start talking to Henry. There was a little bit of foreshadowing with walls always falling down, I think.
The end was good! A fine way to hook me in for next week.
Negen getting out in the mid-season finale was the bit I was looking forward to the least, but it really surprised me. I loved him taking a wistful look around the old headquarters with sad sounding music. A tad manipulative, but it's good to see how he's changed.
Judith is such a refreshing breath of fresh air in the series! Her shooting at Negen and carrying out her promise, followed by, "Don't swear asshole, I'm just a kid!"
I'm indifferent about Rosita being pregnant at the moment, though I felt sorry for Eugene.
I wonder what Darryl did that he was talking about with Michionne? I did love his moment where he went crazy on Whisperer lady (was her name Lydia?), only for her to start talking to Henry. There was a little bit of foreshadowing with walls always falling down, I think.
The end was good! A fine way to hook me in for next week.
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Before the time jump. Since the time jump, it's been established the Sanctuary has fallen, with most former Saviors having assimilated into the other communities. Those who didn't became highwaymen until Carol burned them for robbing her.
Point of order: she burned them for hurting Henry. She would have let them get away with the ring.
Oh, right. It was still awesome when she burned them, though.
Frak yeah!
Right, I had forgotten Carol killed the last of the Saviors.
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Season 9 / episode 10- "Omega"
Daryl: The Birch tree switch story. Realistic and as an interrogator, he's come a long way since the days when he was punching answers out of Randall (season 2B).
Magna / Connie / Kelly / Yumiko / Luke: The search for Luke & Alden...okay, after Tara ordered then to stay, and they disobeyed that, there's no reason Tara should just kick them to the curb. Emotions aside, when was it ever sensible to roam the walker-infested woods at night? ..and now they've led the Whisperers to their gates.
The Whisperers / Lydia / Henry: Daryl listening in on Lydia's conversation. As I wondered last week, a "war of mothers" between Alpha vs. Carol might end up being a thing on the show.
Speaking of Carol, Alpha's background started off as a bit too close to TV Carol's--including the flashback to the chaotic early days and the abusive husband, only the writers pulled a clever move by having Lydia remember the real story of her mother being a killer. The only difference is that it took Carol more time to become a fighter/self-sufficient.
Oh, Henry--just spilling everything about where he's from, then copping an attitude when Daryl calls him out. Whether they follow the comic plot closely or not, this is not going to go well. TV Carl had not been this naïve since his younger days. At east he's showing some appreciation for Daryl.
Lydia's "Its their world, and we have to live in it." That's almost a word-for-word parallel to Enid's statement to Carl back in 5B. Notice how she's trying to get into Daryl's head--attempting to place distance between him and his own people.
Of course, Henry will not learn any of this side of her, or sense the danger, thus a bonehead move was around the corner...and that's what happened when he almost earned a hammer to the skull. Hopefully, his interest--and Daryl refusing to hand Lydia over--does not give him a sense of false bravado to take on Alpha and her pack, but...
NOTES: More solid world building. There is a certain intensity to what is still not known about the Whisperers (from the heroes' point of view), and that makes me more interested in this group than most of the run of Saviors (well, aside from their season ending intro of Negan).
Season 9 / episode 10- "Omega"
Daryl: The Birch tree switch story. Realistic and as an interrogator, he's come a long way since the days when he was punching answers out of Randall (season 2B).
Magna / Connie / Kelly / Yumiko / Luke: The search for Luke & Alden...okay, after Tara ordered then to stay, and they disobeyed that, there's no reason Tara should just kick them to the curb. Emotions aside, when was it ever sensible to roam the walker-infested woods at night? ..and now they've led the Whisperers to their gates.
The Whisperers / Lydia / Henry: Daryl listening in on Lydia's conversation. As I wondered last week, a "war of mothers" between Alpha vs. Carol might end up being a thing on the show.
Speaking of Carol, Alpha's background started off as a bit too close to TV Carol's--including the flashback to the chaotic early days and the abusive husband, only the writers pulled a clever move by having Lydia remember the real story of her mother being a killer. The only difference is that it took Carol more time to become a fighter/self-sufficient.
Oh, Henry--just spilling everything about where he's from, then copping an attitude when Daryl calls him out. Whether they follow the comic plot closely or not, this is not going to go well. TV Carl had not been this naïve since his younger days. At east he's showing some appreciation for Daryl.
Lydia's "Its their world, and we have to live in it." That's almost a word-for-word parallel to Enid's statement to Carl back in 5B. Notice how she's trying to get into Daryl's head--attempting to place distance between him and his own people.
Of course, Henry will not learn any of this side of her, or sense the danger, thus a bonehead move was around the corner...and that's what happened when he almost earned a hammer to the skull. Hopefully, his interest--and Daryl refusing to hand Lydia over--does not give him a sense of false bravado to take on Alpha and her pack, but...
NOTES: More solid world building. There is a certain intensity to what is still not known about the Whisperers (from the heroes' point of view), and that makes me more interested in this group than most of the run of Saviors (well, aside from their season ending intro of Negan).
Modern-day Alpha at the end of the episode was creepy as hell, and that vibe increased with the preview clip from next week shown on Talking Dead. She's shaping up to be a truly intriguing villain.
Yeah, and she--like the Wolves--falls into the total divorce from humanity type of villain. She's not even trying to maintain any basic human dignity or sense of the old world like the leaders & residents of Woodbury or the Saviors. She's just in "filthy monster" mode.
She's definitely better than that crazy lady from last season of Fear the Walking Dead.
Good episode, liked the story going into there being a "connection" (of sorts) between Daryl and Lydia when it comes to being abused. I did raise an eyebrow when Daryl came into the dungeon with a switch, and I was just... "Uhh.... Daryl? What are you planning on doing?" But he did it to get her reaction.
Interesting series of "unreliable narrator" flashbacks too on Lydia's back story.
Interesting series of "unreliable narrator" flashbacks too on Lydia's back story.
Well, there was certainly some interesting stuff going on in this episode. The Whisperer threat is building in a similar fashion to the Saviors. First there was just a handful, then a small army, and then hints that it's just the tip of the iceberg. And Lydia's mother seems to be their leader, or Alpha, and somehow she doesn't need a mask to survive among the Dead. Is that because the skins are enough or because she smells like a Zombie or just because we need a primary antagonist with a recognizable face?
And what's up with Lydia? I liked the flashbacks to her childhood during the Zombie outbreak-- first showing us the story that her mother told her as if it were real, and then showing us the truth as it came back to her. The question is, is she for real now? Seeing the Hilltop, a place that she was told couldn't exist, and hearing the baby cry, seemed to trigger something in her, compelling her back to her cell. It was then that she was more open with Henry and Daryl. But is she really being won over or is she just playing them? What will she do when she finds out that her mother has come back for her, after saying that the Whisperers always move on when somebody is captured? In any case, I'm glad that they didn't play out Henry's lovestruck naivete too long. It was good to see him have that insight that Daryl is also someone who used to get beat up, and to tell Daryl he's happy he's friends with his mom.
Similarly, the new people behaved stupidly but came to their senses pretty quickly. Their nighttime excursion to save their friend was monumentally ill advised, but very touching-- especially when that one kid broke down in tears at the thought of having to go back without their friend. They seemed pretty iffy at first, but now it seems clear that they are as solid a group as any Rick led in the past, so hopefully they will survive to become part of Hilltop. Luckily, Tara's reaction to them sneaking out against orders was wise. It seems that she will be as good a leader as Jesus, and better than Maggie.
And what's up with Lydia? I liked the flashbacks to her childhood during the Zombie outbreak-- first showing us the story that her mother told her as if it were real, and then showing us the truth as it came back to her. The question is, is she for real now? Seeing the Hilltop, a place that she was told couldn't exist, and hearing the baby cry, seemed to trigger something in her, compelling her back to her cell. It was then that she was more open with Henry and Daryl. But is she really being won over or is she just playing them? What will she do when she finds out that her mother has come back for her, after saying that the Whisperers always move on when somebody is captured? In any case, I'm glad that they didn't play out Henry's lovestruck naivete too long. It was good to see him have that insight that Daryl is also someone who used to get beat up, and to tell Daryl he's happy he's friends with his mom.
Similarly, the new people behaved stupidly but came to their senses pretty quickly. Their nighttime excursion to save their friend was monumentally ill advised, but very touching-- especially when that one kid broke down in tears at the thought of having to go back without their friend. They seemed pretty iffy at first, but now it seems clear that they are as solid a group as any Rick led in the past, so hopefully they will survive to become part of Hilltop. Luckily, Tara's reaction to them sneaking out against orders was wise. It seems that she will be as good a leader as Jesus, and better than Maggie.
Or, I dunno, she took the mask off to present herself to the group.
We saw "Alpha" at the end of the previous episode when she confronts the two guys from Alexandria whose names escape me right now.
I'm just not really into this season. I think I am tired of the Hilltop and Alexandria and want to see a new location. Also we got to many characters and with everyone spread out and you don't even get to see the ones your interested in ever week. I want to see Carol,Neegan,Darryl,Michennone,Eugenne,Jerry,The King and Asskicker ever episode. Not once every blue moon it seems.
Jason
Jason
It was an average this week, though Lydia had an interesting backstory. I like that her mother had lied to her, and the story we were watching was the lie. She even seemed to bond with Darryl.
The Whispers turning up at the end showed next week may be of more interest. Was Alpha being Lydia's mother already telegraphed at some point? I thought it was a good cliffhanger anyway. The potential of Carol vs. Alpha is fascinating, whoever mentioned it up-thread.
The four-piece group (was it five originally and someone died?) whose names I can't remember, basically aren't doing much for me. Any part of the episode with them in it was dull.
The Whispers turning up at the end showed next week may be of more interest. Was Alpha being Lydia's mother already telegraphed at some point? I thought it was a good cliffhanger anyway. The potential of Carol vs. Alpha is fascinating, whoever mentioned it up-thread.
The four-piece group (was it five originally and someone died?) whose names I can't remember, basically aren't doing much for me. Any part of the episode with them in it was dull.
Well, those who read the comics already knew it. But putting that aside, the casting information made it very clear Lydia was Alpha's daughter, so they weren't trying to make that a twist or anything.
I never read the comics, and I don't go out of my way to read spoilers, and that's why I was so surprised about Rick leaving being a big announcement in all of the newspapers rather than being a surprise.
Though the producers really played that card well I think.
Though the producers really played that card well I think.
That was okay, and I like Daryl connecting with Lydia, though whether she's really on the verge of becoming 'normal' or its just playing them is anyone's guess. With regard to the baby she heard crying (and be advised I don't read the comics so have no idea about the Whisperers storyline) could it be that she was pregnant and gave birth but either the child died or, more horribly, her mother killed it?
Morton is quite scary but at the moment it just feels like a variation on a theme. Woodbury, Terminus, the Saviours, the Wolves etc. etc., I don't know, maybe I'm jaded now, and maybe it isn't possible to do something 'new' in this universe, or maybe I'll be surprised, but already in my mind they've gone from being terrifying in that first encounter to just some more nutters.
Morton is quite scary but at the moment it just feels like a variation on a theme. Woodbury, Terminus, the Saviours, the Wolves etc. etc., I don't know, maybe I'm jaded now, and maybe it isn't possible to do something 'new' in this universe, or maybe I'll be surprised, but already in my mind they've gone from being terrifying in that first encounter to just some more nutters.
I agree. They baddies no longer really hold up. What's a shame is if the Walkers were really starting to be able to talk and think like they were trying to use as a bait and switch moment. Now that I think would be scary. I was also thinking the only other scary thing would be sexual predators which you think would be a big threat in a world like this.
Killing each other seems normal and acceptable to a point where even the good guys do it. But there are lines that even to be to much in this world. One is eating people and they already that. The other would be pedophiles and rapists. Which I know would be to much for even AMC I suspect. I think a third option would be a group that has it's hands on a nuclear bomb and maybe some kind of modern style Christian Crusades where you go a group killing people in the name of God Suicide bombings if you wanted to go the Muslim Extremist way. I guess their are some options for better baddies but just crazy for the sake of being crazy doesn't really work anymore.
Jason
Killing each other seems normal and acceptable to a point where even the good guys do it. But there are lines that even to be to much in this world. One is eating people and they already that. The other would be pedophiles and rapists. Which I know would be to much for even AMC I suspect. I think a third option would be a group that has it's hands on a nuclear bomb and maybe some kind of modern style Christian Crusades where you go a group killing people in the name of God Suicide bombings if you wanted to go the Muslim Extremist way. I guess their are some options for better baddies but just crazy for the sake of being crazy doesn't really work anymore.
Jason
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