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Spoilers The Walking Dead - Season 9 discussion and spoilers

There's people who've played soap opera characters for decades doing tight shooting schedules with nearly daily new episodes.

I am sure many of them would have loved to leave but at some point they realized that what they have going is going to be as good as it gets in terms of big roles. Plus a feeling of job security. I'm sure many actors stick with the stuff that might not be that great because of money. No way did Hasselholf stick around forever on "Baywatch" because of the rich and rewarding acting experience he was getting.:)

Jason
 
There's people who've played soap opera characters for decades doing tight shooting schedules with nearly daily new episodes.
Sure, but that doesn't change the fact 9 years is still a long time for an actor to do one role continuously, especially on a show as intense as The Walking Dead.
 
I wonder what the Winchestor Boys on "Supernatural" think. They are going on 13 years or is it 14 years? I wonder if they still like the job. Both I think sort of tried to branch out but neither efforts really worked.

Jason
 
The Walking Dead
Season 9 / episode 3 - "Warning Signs"

Rick & Michonne: Thanks to Andrew Lincoln's career choice, the series is really laying it on thick with Rick's home life--thanking Michonne for "everything" and wanting to have another child really hitting it on the head.

Notice Carol studying Rick when he explained how he thinks of everyone lost since the beginning--as a reason to build a world for all of the living. She sort of understands, right up to her quoting Rick ("every life counts") to the would-be throat-cutting Savior.

Daryl: "Why do they get this future...and Glenn don't..or Abraham... or Sasha...?" was a pretty solid question about the ex-Saviors, yet Rick's parting reminder that he (Daryl) did not kill the man who left Merle on a rooftop to die was a good reminder that Daryl once had a forgiving side...though that's probably buried forever in not saving Arat / plotting to kill Negan.

Ex-Saviors: Laura trying to keep the peace between her people and Maggie....not working out.
The murder of Justin the ex-Savior seems like a set up to spark another war, but contrary to how the showrunners want audiences to believe Daryl was behind the killing, but I expected the culprits were the Oceanside survivors.

Jadis / Ann & Father Gabriel: Ann's inability to answer's Gabriel's questions about Justin....another set up (initially), but it turns out she trades people...and turns on Gabriel, citing her group's letter ranking. I'm enjoying the mystery behind her real people, and whatever "A" means. I'm sure fans will think she's one of the Whisperers.

NOTES: Tense episode. The season is holding strong so far.

Anyone using a gun should carry a silencer.
 
The competitive scheduling is killing me. I missed the end of Doctor Who so I wouldn't miss the start of TWD and sticking with this to the end made me miss the start of the encore of The Last Ship.

Curse you cable programmers!

Not that I regret catching all of TWD, cause it was a good episode. I just think I'll have to start watching everything on demand.
 
Super annoying that beyond them advertising it as Rick's final season, they put out a specific thing that said his final two episodes. So they're even telling us he leaves/dies/whatever on the 4th, an episode or two before the fall finale...
 
The competitive scheduling is killing me. I missed the end of Doctor Who so I wouldn't miss the start of TWD and sticking with this to the end made me miss the start of the encore of The Last Ship.

Curse you cable programmers!

Not that I regret catching all of TWD, cause it was a good episode. I just think I'll have to start watching everything on demand.
That's where living in Canada really works out. Doctor Who and The Last Ship are both on Space, in fact The Last Ship is on right after Doctor Who. Since I start with Doctor Who, which ends five minutes after Walking Dead begins, I find it's more convenient to just keep it on Space, watch The Last Ship and set the DVR to get Walking Dead.
Super annoying that beyond them advertising it as Rick's final season, they put out a specific thing that said his final two episodes. So they're even telling us he leaves/dies/whatever on the 4th, an episode or two before the fall finale...
With ratings the way they are, they need to generate buzz. It's the fifth episode that is being touted as Rick's departure, which is consistent with stuff from Comic Con about Episode 6 being the one where Shit Gets Real, and indeed is the only episode of the first half of the season not to have its title made public yet.
 
I hear ya, just annoyed that they're telling us it's randomly episode 5. Even knowing he was done, you 'expect' it to be the finale or the one right before that at best, so it would have been a minor shock in episode 5 had they not spoiled it. Spoilers aren't the end of the world, just annoying is all.
 
Daryl: "Why do they get this future...and Glenn don't..or Abraham... or Sasha...?" was a pretty solid question about the ex-Saviors, yet Rick's parting reminder that he (Daryl) did not kill the man who left Merle on a rooftop to die was a good reminder that Daryl once had a forgiving side...though that's probably buried forever in not saving Arat / plotting to kill Negan.
After they revealed that Rick would be leaving in only two episodes, that callback line between Rick and Daryl about Daryl sparing him on the roof in Atlanta gave me a sinking feeling that Daryl might accidentally kill Rick while trying to kill Negan, and perhaps Rick steps in his way to try and prevent it. I hope that's not the case, but it would be a good motivator for Daryl to turn into more of a leader out of guilt about Rick.

Ex-Saviors:
Laura trying to keep the peace between her people and Maggie....not working out.
The murder of Justin the ex-Savior seems like a set up to spark another war, but contrary to how the showrunners want audiences to believe Daryl was behind the killing, but I expected the culprits were the Oceanside survivors.
Yeah, as soon as the young woman from Oceanside told Carol during the search for the killer about knowing there was a house nearby because this is the area they lived in before, I knew they were the guilty party.

Jadis / Ann & Father Gabriel:
Ann's inability to answer's Gabriel's questions about Justin....another set up (initially), but it turns out she trades people...and turns on Gabriel, citing her group's letter ranking. I'm enjoying the mystery behind her real people, and whatever "A" means. I'm sure fans will think she's one of the Whisperers.
I'd prefer something more in-depth, but I got the impression that "A & B" might just mean something as simple as supposed Type A and Type B personalities, given the way Ann reclassified Father Gabriel from a B to an A on the spot when he had the courage to stand up to her and say he had to report her conduct to Rick instead of passively going along with her. Maybe whomever this other group is (we can just get all Lost about it and call them the "Others" for now, I guess) they're looking for leaders and fighters (A) versus followers and workers (B) at the moment.

You mentioned the Whisperers, but they weren't advanced like that in the comics, choosing to remain primitive and aminalistic. I mean, they can change whatever they like for the show, obviously, but flying around in helicopters doesn't strike me as particularly consistent with wearing the skin of the dead and living like animals.

Although the A's and B's would fit in with the theme of their leader Alpha and second in command Beta.

It could also be Georgie's outside group that wanted to trade for record albums earlier in the year. They're obviously very well off, though they didn't have the sense of menace that the helicopter people demonstrated, nor Ann's contention that she did "very bad things" for them.

Tense episode. The season is holding strong so far.
Yeah, it was good, and some nice plot development too. I'm really looking forward to seeing where they go with Jadisann's more advanced rival group.

Maggie and Daryl definitely crossed the Rubicon by sanctioning the execution of Arat. I can understand wanting to execute Negan and executing Gregory (although I would have held a trial first), because they represent(ed) an existential threat to the existence of the communities they've established with their charisma, organizational abilities, leadership, logistical skill, ruthlessness, and lack of rehabilitation or cooperation with the new communities. Arat on the other hand, for all her cruelty while serving under Negan (and I understand the Oceansider's heartfelt anger), genuinely seemed to have turned over a new leaf and was cooperating and trying to live in this new society. Nor was she the kind of dangerous leader that can sway dozens or hundreds of followers that Negan or Gregory was. So allowing her to be killed was a major escalation from possibly being able to justify your actions by looking out for the greater good of the communities in addition to wanting piece of mind, to just straight up revenge killing.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing where they go with this storyline.
 
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This season of Walking Dead is by far the best reviewed on RT in terms of percentages with 99% positive, even beating the amazing season 1, which had 90% positive. Having said that, the average score is only 7.18/10 as compared to 7.58 for season 1 and 8.09 for season 2. The 7.18 places this season into 7th place (3rd worst), so a mixed message from reviewers so far.

Keep in mind that we are comparing a half season to full seasons, so a lot can still change.
 
Well Maggie and Daryl have definitely crossed a line now.

Thought it was pretty obvious it was the oceansiders when I saw the spear gun. Interesting to see how Maggie's actions prompted them to act. They claimed this was the end of their vendetta but will it be? Plus its already done the damage and it'll be interesting to see what happens with the bridge now.

Talk about ladling it on thick with Rick! It's almost like he's going to die soon or something...I can't see how Daryl can take over as lead, I like Reedus but he isn't the leader type and after walking away from cold blooded murder, I don't know. I full expect them to bungle killing Negan which will allow him to escape and kill Rick.

And what the hell is going on with Jasis/Anne? As and Bs? Leaders and workers? Is being an A good or bad? I really expected her to kill Gabriel which would have been a bit of a shock.

I just don't see where the show is going from here other than back to another pointless all out war, but hopefully they have something more imaginative in mind.
 
Interesting to see how Maggie's actions prompted them to act. They claimed this was the end of their vendetta but will it be?
I don't see how it could, since the Saviors aren't going to just forget about their dead comrades, and now that Maggie, Daryl, and the Oceansiders have gotten the ball rolling on revenge killing, there are lots of people with scores to settle.

I can't see how Daryl can take over as lead, I like Reedus but he isn't the leader type and after walking away from cold blooded murder, I don't know. I full expect them to bungle killing Negan which will allow him to escape and kill Rick.
Well, Rick (and the group) straight up murdered the captured Termites in Gabriel's church back in the day. Not that they were in any condition to care for prisoners at the time, and the cannibals did prove to be a continuing threat if left alive.

Rick also murdered the Savior that escaped from the Hilltop POW camp. Not the psychopath one, but the more reasonable guy.

And IIRC he murdered one of the prisoners when they were moving into the prison for the first time.

And there are a few more. So, I don't think it's impossible for the character to come back from that and be redeemable. I just think Daryl is a bit too much in the quiet reluctant loner mode to be an effective leader, as demonstrated by his reticence to lead the Savior factory. But if he's responsible for Rick's death somehow, I could see that being a strong catalyst for him to change into that kind of leader.
 
I think I need to see a map. Saviors are definitely on the other side of the river from SOME of the groups, but are any on the same side as them? Given the way this is going, kinda leaning towards just cutting them off and letting nature take it's course. They don't seem to bring much to the table (resources, smarts, tech) other than just manpower. The bridge is a metaphor for connecting the communities, but which ones are cut off if it falls? Like I said, need the map :)

Sorta at the point where it doesn't make sense to KEEP the 5+ communities going, either. pick the most productive two, or best defensive ones, or whatever, and cut the rest. If Hilltop and Alexandria are on the same side of the river, and close-ish, shut down the other ones and move everyone into those two. Pools resources, makes logistics easier, etc. And spreading out the Saviors lets you dilute things there so that in time, it sorta just goes away as they 'go native' in the new communities. They said straight up that the Saviors' compound sucks, it's an abandoned factory where nothing grows, so why keep it? Especially if it's farther away and a headache to get to?

This season has been decent so far, but some of the logistics are annoying :)
 
Saviors are definitely on the other side of the river from SOME of the groups, but are any on the same side as them? Given the way this is going, kinda leaning towards just cutting them off and letting nature take it's course. They don't seem to bring much to the table (resources, smarts, tech) other than just manpower. The bridge is a metaphor for connecting the communities, but which ones are cut off if it falls?

Sorta at the point where it doesn't make sense to KEEP the 5+ communities going, either. pick the most productive two, or best defensive ones, or whatever, and cut the rest. If Hilltop and Alexandria are on the same side of the river, and close-ish, shut down the other ones and move everyone into those two. Pools resources, makes logistics easier, etc. And spreading out the Saviors lets you dilute things there so that in time, it sorta just goes away as they 'go native' in the new communities. They said straight up that the Saviors' compound sucks, it's an abandoned factory where nothing grows, so why keep it? Especially if it's farther away and a headache to get to?
They keep the Savior's factory for the manpower, manufacturing capabilities (bullets and repairs for existing devices, machines, and structures), the ability to refine ethanol —which requires storage vats and processing machinery, and for the unspoken reason that it basically serves as a POW camp for the Saviors so they can keep an eye on them in one place.

No one really wants the Saviors either living among the other communities causing discord and provoking resentment or roaming free in the countryside raiding and possibly organizing again. It's keep your friends close and your enemies closer, essentially. Better to have them be a pain in the ass under your watchful eye than be a potential threat outside of it.

Oceanside is definitely on the other side of the bridge from the other communities, because that's how Tara first found their hidden community, was by falling off a bridge (possibly the same one they're repairing now, just with all the junk cleared off) into the river and washing downstream where she was found. It's also definitely in Virginia (shown on a closeup of a map with the name of the camp) and located on Chesapeake Bay, because they said they "fish in the bay."

The Hilltop Colony was shown on a Savior's map to be outside Culpeper, Virginia.


https://comicbook.com/thewalkingdead/2018/04/11/the-walking-dead-hilltop-exact-location-/

The Alexandria Safe Zone is located in a planned self-sustaining community somewhere on the outskirts of the evacuated city (evac'd before it was infected, which is why it was relatively light on walkers) of Alexandria, Virginia, given that the survivors could see DC in the distance before rolling up to Alexandria's gates.

The Kingdom is explicitly stated to be located in Washington DC in the comics, and the real life location, though filmed in Georgia, was supposedly modeled on Eastern High School in the Lincoln Park area of DC.

The Savior's Sanctuary location is unknown, but presumably in an industrialized location not nearby any particular community but situated somewhere between all of them on or near a major freeway or interstate.

 
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