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The totally dope/metal Kevin Smith Appreciation Thread

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Kai "the spy" said:
I think there might be a misunderstanding here. I'm not suggesting that Kevin Smith is a wholy self-made man that all the other guys just latch onto. But I'm reacting to your posts which make it sound a bit like Kev is some kind of leech exploiting his friends.
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Not leech. I'm only saying the exchange in career benefits is uneven. Or are you going to say that Oscar-winning director and screenwriter Ben Affleck gets as much out of working with Smith as Smith gets from working with him?

Look, in terms of my original statement, in the case of Mewes, Garman and Bernardin, Smith did the exact same thing three times: He gave his bromance a stage, then stood (or sat) back and left the bro to keep the stage for himself, while he reacts. Yes, he's written funny scripts, but he doesn't write or produce Babble-On. Ralph does. And what show prep Fatman Beyond requires is not done by Smith. It's done by Marc. As for the funny scripts, the lines will still fail if not delivered properly, and as I've said, he's lucky enough to get talented people who want to deliver them, and his contribution to their performance is "Watch yourself here and self-correct."

I don't know what else to tell you. The evidence is right up there in your initial post. Just go back and watch the videos you put up.
 
Admiral2 said:
Not leech. I'm only saying the exchange in career benefits is uneven. Or are you going to say that Oscar-winning director and screenwriter Ben Affleck gets as much out of working with Smith as Smith gets from working with him?
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Okay, counter question, how many of the people he works with are Oscar-winning director and screenwriter Ben Affleck? I mean, seriously?! We were talking Mewes, Ralph and Marc, and you drop fucking Affleck into it? Yeah, at this point, Affleck doing "Jay & Silent Bob Reboot" is more about a favor to Kev (as well as maybe rekindling a friendship). But even in this case, there was a time when things were different. "Chasing Amy" was a career booster for Affleck.

Look, in terms of my original statement, in the case of Mewes, Garman and Bernardin, Smith did the exact same thing three times: He gave his bromance a stage, then stood (or sat) back and left the bro to keep the stage for himself, while he reacts. Yes, he's written funny scripts, but he doesn't write or produce Babble-On. Ralph does. And what show prep Fatman Beyond requires is not done by Smith. It's done by Marc. As for the funny scripts, the lines will still fail if not delivered properly, and as I've said, he's lucky enough to get talented people who want to deliver them, and his contribution to their performance is "Watch yourself here and self-correct."

I don't know what else to tell you. The evidence is right up there in your initial post. Just go back and watch the videos you put up.
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Again, you underestimate Kev's role in this. Mewes has been pushing for another Jay & Silent Bob gig for years, mostly because he hasn't got a lot of other things. I mean, outside of Kevin Smith movies, Mewes biggest role was the male lead in a Paris Hilton vehicle that mostly Kevin Smith fans saw. Yes, he now has written and directed his own movie, but you can see by the trailer that he took a lot from Kevin's style, and Kev's in that movie, too. You think Mewes would have gotten to promote the movie on the IMDboat if not for Kev?

As for Garman on Babble-On, yeah, I already conceded that Ralph does all the preparations for the segments, as well as almost all impressions, but again, Kev has a role that goes beyond just reacting. He participates on equal terms as Ralph on The Germans and Kermit/Ray Romano, and he does Sexy Kevin and Bane all by himself.

On Fatman Beyond, yeah, Marc does the preparations, which is reading entertainment news online (something he most certainly does anyway) and make notes of interesting items. And not that many, either, they talk about three or four news items per show before going to the Q&A part (which they both take equal parts in).

Add to that, as mentioned before, Kevin contributing his stories. It's not that rare that the first twenty to thirty minutes of a show of both these podcasts are Kev telling about something that happened to him. And these parts are brilliant, because he's a great at telling stories. They are so good they landed him a stand-up special for Showtime.

Case in point, the new episode of BabbleVision:
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They get to the first segment, the shoutouts, at 30 minutes in. The half-hour before is Kev talking about his game show gigs, Kev talking about getting texts from Bruce Willis, and talking about J&SBReboot.
 
Kai "the spy" said:
Okay, counter question, how many of the people he works with are Oscar-winning director and screenwriter Ben Affleck? I mean, seriously?! We were talking Mewes, Ralph and Marc, and you drop fucking Affleck into it? Yeah, at this point, Affleck doing "Jay & Silent Bob Reboot" is more about a favor to Kev (as well as maybe rekindling a friendship). But even in this case, there was a time when things were different. "Chasing Amy" was a career booster for Affleck.



Again, you underestimate Kev's role in this. Mewes has been pushing for another Jay & Silent Bob gig for years, mostly because he hasn't got a lot of other things. I mean, outside of Kevin Smith movies, Mewes biggest role was the male lead in a Paris Hilton vehicle that mostly Kevin Smith fans saw. Yes, he now has written and directed his own movie, but you can see by the trailer that he took a lot from Kevin's style, and Kev's in that movie, too. You think Mewes would have gotten to promote the movie on the IMDboat if not for Kev?

As for Garman on Babble-On, yeah, I already conceded that Ralph does all the preparations for the segments, as well as almost all impressions, but again, Kev has a role that goes beyond just reacting. He participates on equal terms as Ralph on The Germans and Kermit/Ray Romano, and he does Sexy Kevin and Bane all by himself.

On Fatman Beyond, yeah, Marc does the preparations, which is reading entertainment news online (something he most certainly does anyway) and make notes of interesting items. And not that many, either, they talk about three or four news items per show before going to the Q&A part (which they both take equal parts in).

Add to that, as mentioned before, Kevin contributing his stories. It's not that rare that the first twenty to thirty minutes of a show of both these podcasts are Kev telling about something that happened to him. And these parts are brilliant, because he's a great at telling stories. They are so good they landed him a stand-up special for Showtime.

Case in point, the new episode of BabbleVision:
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They get to the first segment, the shoutouts, at 30 minutes in. The half-hour before is Kev talking about his game show gigs, Kev talking about getting texts from Bruce Willis, and talking about J&SBReboot.
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In other words a stoner rambling, which is his main contribution on any live stage. He actually broke the flow of the shoutouts just to ramble more about a "mind-blowing" story about the color of wrapping paper, and was pissy about it for the rest of the taping because Ralph and the audience weren't as mind-blown about it as he was. And, he admitted, indirectly, that Ralph is the one who actually crafts the show.

He gives his bromances stages and watches them perform with the audience. To quote Cpl. Reese: "That's what he does! That's all he does!"

The popularity of Kevin Smith is as much a cult of his personality as it is a celebration of his actual talent, and I get it. I'm a member of the cult, okay? I'm just the Leah Remini of the cult right now...
 
Well, I guess we've exchanged all the arguments, so I guess we'll have to leave it at the fact that we judge the value of Kev's contributions differently. Which is okay, I guess, it is a matter of personal taste.

In any event, Garman graced us with another free edition of the Ralph Report:
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Foxhot said:
If you could only have three of KS's movies existing, how many here would choose AMY, DOGMA and RED STATE?
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Amy, Dogma, then it would be a hard call between Mallrats and Jay & Silent Bob. Red State didn't connect with me.
 
For me, it would be Clerks, Dogma, and Clerks II. I love all his movies (yes, even Yoga Hosers), but those are the ones that speak the most to me.
 
Kevin Smith is an amazing speaker and pop culture connoisseur.

I was a teenager/early 20s guy when his movies started to come out so right in his demographic and since then i was a fan. He has a thing to write real dialogue that sound like actual people talk with people going off on weird tangents or sometimes just blurt out hilarious one liners. His deep and insightful monologues though are the times where he feels he needs to make a statement and they are awesome too if unrealistic in their eloquence and delivery.

His crowning achievement (for me) are his Q&A's and i'm very fond of the first one that made it to DVD - An Evening with Kevin Smith(it was also the very first product i ever ordered internationally.. had it shipped from Amazon US to Germany). You just have to see him talk about his involvement in a planned Superman movie, the meetings he went through until meeting the nutjob producer at the time, how he met Prince who wanted Smith to do a documentary about him, talking about his movies in general (including a cool exchange with a lesbian student who took offense at Chasing Amy and Smith explaining why he wrote certain things) or the one where i still don't know how his now wife didn't kill him as he tells the story of the start of their relationship and the first time they had sex and how the foreplay basically tore open a wound on his penis (yet he still went through with the sex albeit in intense pain :lol:) - it is hilarious as hell from start to finish.

Recently i saw him on Colbert where he was 2 months after his heart attack and for 10 minutes straight he tells the story of it while Colbert just shuts up, smiles and hangs on his every word.. Smith makes the story of his near death so damn funny and entertaining that you forget the actual seriousness of his situation (in the Youtube comments below a cardiologist posted that this video could also be used as a learning tool to teach about heart attack symptoms).

I love his self deprecating humor and the fact that he knows he's not an A league filmmaker but he's made a name for himself and has carved out his niche that allows him to do things he loves and make a comfortable living off it (not bad for someone who so badly wanted to do a movie that he maxed out a score of credit cards and went 28.000$ in debt to make a small, black&white indie flick about some people just talking in a convenience store). Who can claim that?
 
I loved the story, I don't quite remember which Q&A DVD it was, where he told the anal fissure story. That one was priceless.
 
And here's another free episode of the Ralph Report:
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And I realized that, in my previous posts of Ralph's free episodes, I never linked to Ralph's Patreon, where you can become a member and get daily episodes of the Report.
 
And, as expected, "Jay & Silent Bob Reboot" reveived an R-rating for "pervasive strong crude sexual content, language throughout, drug use and some nudity".

Also, another classic episode (#33) of BabbleVision:
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I don't know how many in the thread are familiar with Warren Ellis, but he's a well-regarded writer of comics and other things. The Authority, Transmetropolitan, Planetary, Global Frequency, the list really goes on. Recently, he wrote the animated Castlevania series on Netflix. He's also a pretty prolific blogger.

He has a reputation for being rough and cranky. I suspect he cultivates that, because he sometimes reveals a gooey center. This is a case in point from a few days ago:

https://warrenellis.ltd/jot/my-kevin-smith-story/
 
Spaceman Spiff said:
I don't know how many in the thread are familiar with Warren Ellis, but he's a well-regarded writer of comics and other things. The Authority, Transmetropolitan, Planetary, Global Frequency, the list really goes on. Recently, he wrote the animated Castlevania series on Netflix. He's also a pretty prolific blogger.

He has a reputation for being rough and cranky. I suspect he cultivates that, because he sometimes reveals a gooey center. This is a case in point from a few days ago:

https://warrenellis.ltd/jot/my-kevin-smith-story/
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wow!
 
Yeah, that was a great story. Thanks for sharing, @Spaceman Spiff .

I guess this is a weekly thing now, as there's another free Ralph Report on Garman's YT channel:
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Also, Kev and Marc will be at the Scum & Villainy Cantina on Tuesday to record another Fatman Beyond, so that one should be out some time later this week.

Anybody else listen to the "I Sell Comics" podcast by Mike & Ming of Comic Book Men fame? There's a new episode, #303, up now. They take their time nowadays between episodes, but at least this one's a long one.
 
Well, before uploading this week's Fatman Beyond, I guess they had to upload last week's Fatman Beyond.
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And another classic episode of BabbleVision, #34:
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And now, this week's episode of Fatman Beyond:
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So, Kev finally got himself a Netflix show. Masters of the Universe anime. Did not see that coming. Looking forward to it, though.
 
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