LONG LIVE THE EMPEROR!!
The Terran Emperor’s Full Title (preview clip)
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LONG LIVE THE EMPEROR!!
Phillipa Georgiou Augustus Leopoldus(?) Centarus
According to Wikipedia, Augustus was the title given to successors of the first Emperor of Rome, Gaius Octavius.
That could mean anything, either the Roman Empire survived, or the Terran Empire sees itself as the successor to it.
According to Wikipedia, Augustus was the title given to successors of the first Emperor of Rome, Gaius Octavius.
That could mean anything, either the Roman Empire survived, or the Terran Empire sees itself as the successor to it.
so, male first names for females seems to be not that unusual
Augustus and Leopoldus are not. well, not FIRST names, technically
If Augustus means what I think it means, then it is a title not a name. There is a female version of the title, but she also goes by Emperor not Empress, so it seems Terran titles don't have female versions in DSC.
And if anyone can make out the next to the last name I’d be appreciative...
It sounds something like "Iaponius" to me (capital 'i' at the beginning).
According to Google translate, that's actually Latin for "Japan". Not sure if that means anything or not...
Augustus (Latin for "great") was a title for everyone after Octavian. Octavian literally called himself "Great Caesar", in comparison to uncle Julius. At least he gave Uncy Jules the month of July in his honor.
Caesar became a title after...well...the original Caesars died out in the first century. The Russian title "tsar" and the German "Kaiser" (among many others) are bastardizations of "Caesar".
While the Western Roman Empire existed, both titles were exclusive to the Emperor and his annoined successor. In fact, even "emperor" (imperator, meaning commander or leader in Latin) was just another title held by the Roman sovereign. There was no single "office of the leader of the Empire" and in theory any of those titles could be bestowed on anyone. Emperors-to-be steadily amassed titles like merit badges until they were clearly "the one".
Fun fact, by the time of the late Byzantine (Eastern Roman) Empire, you'd have multiple Augustuses and Caesars in the court, none of them the actual emperor of Constantinople. They might not even be particularly important.
In the Holy Roman Empire (which, famously, was neither holy nor Roman), only the imperator title was retained.
So...why would Georgou call herself Phillipa Augustus? I mean, Rome or Constantinople might have never fallen and the Terran Empire is a direct or spiritual successor. But, TBH, its probably just fluff, just like all the imperator of old who tried to tie themselves to the glorious Caesars by taking their name. She's Phillipa the Great because who's going to stop her?
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Trek writers have said in the past the idea behind the Mirror Universe was "Wot if... the Roman Empire was a ya phone and that phone was ya mum" oh wait sorry this is Star Trek not Black Mirror /jk.
They have literally said though the idea behind the Mirror Universe was if the Roman Empire survived and expanded into space and this episode basically confirmed that.
This is the first thing I thought of when I saw the thread title.
"You stand in the Presence of Empress Philippa Georgiou Augustus Eopinimus Centares, the Unburnt, the Undying, the Detroyer of the Binary Stars, the Breaker of Bat'leths, the Croucher of Tigers, and Hider of Dragons!"
Great catch! I believe this is what I saw in the subtitles (wife and I like to have them on so we don't mishear dialogue). Memory Alpha also has this in their page for Mirror Georgiou.
This is one big mess of a title. English, broken Latin, feminine, masculine, feminine again...
https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-detailed-reason-for-every-one-of-emperor-georgious-1822378997
I thought I'd try to make the multiple tweet story more readable:
According to writer Jordon Nardino (via Twitter):
When we began digging into the Terrans last year, I had just read a newer history of Rome and was excited to use it as inspiration. (SPQR by Mary Beard, check it out.)
Here's some of the titles Roman Emperors used:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_emperor#Titles_and_positions
So into her titles:
- Father of the Fatherland is easy, we turned that into Mother of the Fatherland (even tho we de-gendered Emperor, it felt right)
- Overlord of Vulcan: an early conquest of the Terrans, they see themselves as their protectors. It's paternalistic / delusional.
- Dominus of Kronos: Terrans are very proud of conquering Qo'noS. Dominus is a harsher title the Emperor at the time took as a result (and Georgiou kept for herself). "We OWN them." Qo'noS mispronounced out of cultural chauvinism.
- Regina Andor: Andoria is a jewel in the Terran crowd. Subjugated warrior race. Early Terran conquest, pre-Sato. The title was created to celebrate this achievement.
Now as for Georgiou's many names...
"Philippa Georgiou Augustus Iaponius Centarius"
Philipa Georgiou: her given name and her family name, just like Prime.
Augustus: the Terrans see themselves as inheritors of the Roman Empire so their Emperors take the title of its first Emperor. Iaponius is Latin for Japanese. This (in my fever dream) is a title Hoshi Sato adopted when she named herself Empress, to honor her homeland.
"So is Georgiou descended from Hoshi!?"
Well Hoshi was Empress. 100 years later, Georgiou is Emperor.
Georgiou took one of Hoshi's titles as her own to connect them. So Hoshi's legacy as Empress must be good and Georgiou must either be connected to her in a chain of succession or might want to create that connection.
But they have different ethnic backgrounds. Hoshi is Japanese, Philipa is Chinese-Malaysian. So I don't think it's likely Philipa is a direct descendent like a great-grandchild. Cousins is possible. More likely tho whoever inherited Hoshi's throne was someone she adopted as a child & heir, the way most Roman emperors did. And that Emperor adopted his/her heir, and so on, until we get to Georgiou.
And she is proud of the connection and flaunts it with the title Iaponius.
But it's not canon until it's on screen so that's just one writer's opinion.
As for Centaurius, I figured it was the first system colonized by the Terrans since it's closest to Sol so it was a title the Emperor at the time took in tribute.
Hope someone found this informative!
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I thought I'd try to make the multiple tweet story more readable:
According to writer Jordon Nardino (via Twitter):
When we began digging into the Terrans last year, I had just read a newer history of Rome and was excited to use it as inspiration. (SPQR by Mary Beard, check it out.)
Here's some of the titles Roman Emperors used:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_emperor#Titles_and_positions
So into her titles:
- Father of the Fatherland is easy, we turned that into Mother of the Fatherland (even tho we de-gendered Emperor, it felt right)
- Overlord of Vulcan: an early conquest of the Terrans, they see themselves as their protectors. It's paternalistic / delusional.
- Dominus of Kronos: Terrans are very proud of conquering Qo'noS. Dominus is a harsher title the Emperor at the time took as a result (and Georgiou kept for herself). "We OWN them." Qo'noS mispronounced out of cultural chauvinism.
- Regina Andor: Andoria is a jewel in the Terran crowd. Subjugated warrior race. Early Terran conquest, pre-Sato. The title was created to celebrate this achievement.
Now as for Georgiou's many names...
"Philippa Georgiou Augustus Iaponius Centarius"
Philipa Georgiou: her given name and her family name, just like Prime.
Augustus: the Terrans see themselves as inheritors of the Roman Empire so their Emperors take the title of its first Emperor. Iaponius is Latin for Japanese. This (in my fever dream) is a title Hoshi Sato adopted when she named herself Empress, to honor her homeland.
"So is Georgiou descended from Hoshi!?"
Well Hoshi was Empress. 100 years later, Georgiou is Emperor.
Georgiou took one of Hoshi's titles as her own to connect them. So Hoshi's legacy as Empress must be good and Georgiou must either be connected to her in a chain of succession or might want to create that connection.
But they have different ethnic backgrounds. Hoshi is Japanese, Philipa is Chinese-Malaysian. So I don't think it's likely Philipa is a direct descendent like a great-grandchild. Cousins is possible. More likely tho whoever inherited Hoshi's throne was someone she adopted as a child & heir, the way most Roman emperors did. And that Emperor adopted his/her heir, and so on, until we get to Georgiou.
And she is proud of the connection and flaunts it with the title Iaponius.
But it's not canon until it's on screen so that's just one writer's opinion.
As for Centaurius, I figured it was the first system colonized by the Terrans since it's closest to Sol so it was a title the Emperor at the time took in tribute.
Hope someone found this informative!
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