Spoilers The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™

[Ray Hardgrit]

We just need to get someone whose height we know to go stand up next to the windows now to give us something to work from.

Assuming a deck is about two people tall, my scruffy calculations put the TOS Enterprise and the SNW Enterprise both around 420+ meters long.

 

[mswood]

It's about 50% bigger - 442m.

Isn't that closer to the actually size as presented of the Enterprise in TOS, as the sets and scale don't match the listed size of the ship at all.

 

[valkyrie013]

Cannonically? I know that's important.

Canonically? Not said even in the Disco S2..
Same with almost every ship.. Whatever the producer/ visual guys and gals put out at that moment in time.

 

[MarsWeeps]

Be kinda cool if that's the USS Constitution. Would kind of explain why we havent seen her

I'd love to hear the history of the USS Constitution! This would make a cool story.

 

[Paul755]

I always thought the Constitution was like the Space Shuttle Enterprise. It was the first one created but never actually entered into service.

making the Enterprise the first one to actually start and complete a 5 year mission.

 

[valkyrie013]

The only series that gave a rats anus about size consistency was Enterprise. Since it was a fully cgi series they could do that. But all the rest before and since have been garbage about scales and consistency .. Don't think to much about it.. As McCoy said.. Your best guess..

 

[mdtauk]

I always thought the Constitution was like the Space Shuttle Enterprise. It was the first one created but never actually entered into service.

making the Enterprise the first one to actually start and complete a 5 year mission.

The USS Intrepid was the first of the Intrepid Class
We presume there is the USS Galaxy - Galaxy Class, USS Constitution - Constitution Class, USS Crossfield - Crossfield Class etc...

 

[Noname Given]

The only series that gave a rats anus about size consistency was Enterprise. Since it was a fully cgi series they could do that. But all the rest before and since have been garbage about scales and consistency .. Don't think to much about it.. As McCoy said.. Your best guess..

The visual consistency across all Star Trek incarnations has always been:

" Whatever looks cool on screen/Whatever we can afford with the budget we have"

 

[mdtauk]

The visual consistency across all Star Trek incarnations has always been:

" Whatever looks cool on screen/Whatever we can afford with the budget we have"

The Enterprise as seen in Discovery was built and it existed before work began on the standing sets for Strange New Worlds.

For interior scenes in Discovery, they did the age old thing of redressing Discovery's sets - but you would hope with the exterior in a final(ish) form - the set designers would work to match.

For things like TNG, VOY, their set design and ship design was not always in sync. But some efforts were made to make things match. TNG's Ten Forward came for season 2, so they looked at the exterior, and chose what windows would be used for that set.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I did some maths on the SNW Enterprise size. I was very sceptical of the huge engineering section fitting into the secondary hull, but a 442m Enterprise has an engineering hull 40m across at it's widest point, which should be enough. At least, within the bounds of movie magic.

What weirdly bothers me is that the briefing room windows have become spotlights directly underneath the lounge. I mean, yes the room blew up but why put three lights there identical to the windows that aren't windows?

 

[Vale]

The USS Intrepid was the first of the Intrepid Class
We presume there is the USS Galaxy - Galaxy Class...

We see the USS Galaxy herself, NCC-70637, very briefly in the Battle of Chin'toka in DS9: "Tears of the Prophets":

She's later name-checked in dialogue in DS9: "What You Leave Behind" as being at the Battle of Cardassia, and her name and registry appear on a screen in Star Trek: Nemesis where she's listed as being one of the ships en route to rendezvous with the Enterprise before she's ambushed by the Scimitar in the Bassen Rift, along with the USS Intrepid:

One of Nemesis's many crimes was denying us the chance to see a Sovereign-class, an Intrepid-class, and a Galaxy-class all fighting alongside each other.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Isn't that closer to the actually size as presented of the Enterprise in TOS, as the sets and scale don't match the listed size of the ship at all.

If you scale the TOS Enterprise so that the bridge fits inside the dome comfortably and the saucer is about twice the height of Voyager's one-deck-tall saucer (giving it plenty of room for the rec deck in the Motion Picture and those tall corridors), then it works out to be around 420 meters.

(Not my Voyager model).

Judging by the windows on the SNW Enterprise it seems like the saucer is about this size too.

 

[DEWLine]

A two-deck sickbay?

 

[mdtauk]

A two-deck sickbay?

The Enterprise D was supposed to have a large medical complex, with multiple wards etc.
https://forgottentrek.com/the-next-generation/the-galaxy-class-medical-deck-that-wasnt//

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

A two-deck sickbay?

Sometimes they might need to treat a 12 foot tall alien or a giant Spock clone.

 

[DEWLine]

Frankly, I was pleasantly surprised by that visual!

 

[Vale]

Here's a question... if we're assuming the Enterprise is scaled up by roughly 50% to a length of 442m from the previously established length of 289m, and that's now the canonical design in-universe per Picard, does that mean we're scaling up all previous TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY ship designs by the same amount? I'm kind of okay with a 975m-long Enterprise-D, given that Discovery is (a frankly absurd) 780.5m, and much longer than the D's canonical length of 642m.

 

[Vale]

The Enterprise D was supposed to have a large medical complex, with multiple wards etc.
https://forgottentrek.com/the-next-generation/the-galaxy-class-medical-deck-that-wasnt//

Not to mention the second sickbay complex in the stardrive section...

 

[Tomalak]

Here's a question... if we're assuming the Enterprise is scaled up by roughly 50% to a length of 442m from the previously established length of 289m, and that's now the canonical design in-universe per Picard, does that mean we're scaling up all previous TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY ship designs by the same amount? I'm kind of okay with a 975m-long Enterprise-D, given that Discovery is (a frankly absurd) 780.5m.

No, because the likes of the Enterprise-D and Voyager are clearly established.

But the Defiant is a free-for-all. And actually the Excelsior works really nicely at 620m.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

The size of the TOS Enterprise never really made sense. It was completely based on a drunken napkin sketch by The Roddenberry, who thought he would compare it to an aircraft carrier. The 450ish metre scale was more to the point. I'm totally happy to go with that number, instead of do mental gymnastics trying to justify how such huge spaces can fit in a small volume.