Spoilers The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™

[Dukhat]

Its entirely possible that Excelsior was imagined as a more routine/base level ship, but since the scene was cut in TWOK they just reused the name.

Pretty much this. The Excelsior in TWOK was just a random ship. They then reused the name for a completely different ship in TSFS. They also tributed the TWOK ship by showing an Excelsior in the Abrams films (a red, three-nacelled ship of the Kelvin family.)

That does pose an interesting question - if that line had stayed in TWOK, would Excelsior still be named NX-2000 Excelsior in TSFS? Compounded with the extra complexity of Sulu actually being given command of an upgraded NCC-2000 Excelsior by TUC.

Doubtful. They wouldn’t have wanted to confuse the audience by having the NX-2000 be the same ship as what they referenced in TWOK.

 

[Enterprise1701]

Funny I don't remember seeing any of that on the screen. Star Trek Cannon is only what's on screen. So that's what I use when making my arguments.

Ahem. *canon

 

[137th Gebirg]

 

[drt]

I always find it interesting that Sulu lept from a Lt Commander as Helmsman of the Enterprise to commanding officer of the largest, most advanced ship in the fleet.

But ah well, fantasy world.

He’s a Lt. Commander in TMP, but a full Commander in TWOK, so likely had been one long enough to be promoted to Captain of Excelsior when it was probably supposed to be a more run-of-the-mill ship in TWOK. It’s several more years before TUC, so by that time he’s been a Commander for like ten years, and presumably did enough to be promoted Captain of the actual Excelsior and had to be way more competent than Harriman. Although, if Excelsior was supposed to be the most advanced ship in the fleet, Starfleet had it doing awfully mundane activities (charting gaseous anomalies), so even though it was large, perhaps it wasn’t all that fancy of an assignment.

 

[Macintosh]

They also tributed the TWOK ship by showing an Excelsior in the Abrams films (a red, three-nacelled ship of the Kelvin family.)

There were two ships named Excelsior designed for the Abrams movies. The first one is visible at the bottom right of this shot from Star Trek: Into Darkness, though we can't see its name – it's labelled as such in the concept art book for the 2009 movie though.

It's the same type as the USS Armstrong – looks like a three-nacelled Miranda-class made of Kelvin components. No idea why it's red.

Separately, Alex Jaeger at ILM (of Akira-class fame) designed an alternative USS Excelsior that was never used. Clearly it takes a great deal of inspiration from the Franz Joseph Hermes-class and Saladin-class.

 

[fireproof78]

No idea why it's red.

It's crewed by Vulcans.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's a Security ship.

 

[Macintosh]

It's crewed by Vulcans.

As good an explanation as any!

 

[NCC-73515]

I always find it interesting that Sulu lept from a Lt Commander as Helmsman of the Enterprise to commanding officer of the largest, most advanced ship in the fleet.

But ah well, fantasy world.

There was not much interest in commanding the debacle, the failed transwarp ship, the one so easily sabotaged... and Sulu already liked it and hoped they'd get it in TVH

 

[valkyrie013]

Sulu was the first officer on Enterprise. Spock was captain. Kirk was just a tag along by that time. By that time hes like 45.. How long do you want him to wait? Kirk was captain at 35..

By ST5 they probably wanted tbe stealing of the enterprise fiasco to blow over before giving him excelsior.

 

[Donald G]

There's some...impressive anger going on right now for seemingly no reason..but that is very Trek BBS..so I guess it checks out

"Well, would you look at that? . . ."

 

[BK613]

@Tuskin38 Didn't know that about STO and the TOS Miranda. THX.

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edit to add:
MORROW: You've all done remarkable service under the most difficult conditions. You'll be receiving Starfleet's highest commendation, and more importantly, extended shore leave. ...That is, all but you, Mister Scott. They need your wisdom on the new Excelsior. ...Report there tomorrow as Captain of Engineering.
(Of course, the man also thinks the E is 20 years old, so maybe not the most reliable of witnesses.)

 

[David cgc]

This isn't quite starship related, nor is it specifically SNW related, but it feels too petty for a GTD thread; it was a weird choice to combine the captain's ready room with the conference room in DSC, and to continue it in PIC and SNW, and I don't like it.

It was pretty overt in this week's episode, where multiple Pike-less meetings took place in his ready room. What if he needed to write a report, or talk to an Admiral? Does he just boot out the science briefing or Spock and La'an's heart-to-heart, or is it first come, first serve, and he has to go down and do his job in his quarters? I guess it makes life easier to when filming the shows to have one room that does both, but it doesn't make any sense why the ships would be put together that way.

 

[DEWLine]

MORROW: You've all done remarkable service under the most difficult conditions. You'll be receiving Starfleet's highest commendation, and more importantly, extended shore leave. ...That is, all but you, Mister Scott. They need your wisdom on the new Excelsior. ...Report there tomorrow as Captain of Engineering.
(Of course, the man also thinks the E is 20 years old, so maybe not the most reliable of witnesses.)

Indeed not. Morrow is certainly a busy sapient, of course...and I wonder what he was up to back in Pike's day.

 

[Tuskin38]

and to continue it in PIC

According to the set blueprints the ready room is that door off to the right if you're facing the windows.
They just didn't build it for the show for whatever reason. Guessing budget or time.

 

[fireproof78]

This isn't quite starship related, nor is it specifically SNW related, but it feels too petty for a GTD thread; it was a weird choice to combine the captain's ready room with the conference room in DSC, and to continue it in PIC and SNW, and I don't like it.

It was pretty overt in this week's episode, where multiple Pike-less meetings took place in his ready room. What if he needed to write a report, or talk to an Admiral? Does he just boot out the science briefing or Spock and La'an's heart-to-heart, or is it first come, first serve, and he has to go down and do his job in his quarters? I guess it makes life easier to when filming the shows to have one room that does both, but it doesn't make any sense why the ships would be put together that way.

Picard would allow meetings in his ready room too.

And quarters are just as good a place as any to complete reports.

 

[BK613]

Indeed not.

Agree. However, within the context of TSFS alone, there is no real contradiction and so the movie explicitly says that the Excelsior is new.

Morrow is certainly a busy sapient, of course...and I wonder what he was up to back in Pike's day.

Probably somewhere helping write all the rules that competent officers would later break.

 

[fireproof78]

Probably somewhere helping write all the rules that competent officers would later break.

Someone had to write them.

 

[valkyrie013]

Ready Room isn't the captains office, its the ready room for the bridge, whichever person is the officer of the day/shift's office. Sure its usually the captains, but Beta, Gamma shifts do use the room for there meetings, etc. as well.
I would think that, lets say Alpha shift is on, Beta shift arrives at 1500 at the conference room to go over what is happening on the shift, lets say a pre work meeting, takes 5 minutes, then they go relive the Alpha shift, while the person in charge goes to relive whomever is in charge of the previous shift, on the bridge or in the ready room.
Now the captain can say, I'm going to be in the room for another hour etc. and the shift officer goes to the bridge till the room is available etc.

 

[F. King Daniel]

No idea why it's red.

Fun fact, they toyed with the idea of the USS Kelvin being red.