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THE ORVILLE S2, E1: "JA'LOJA"

A number of episode reviews are now up on Youtube. I agree w/ the first one that while 'Ja'loja' is a filler episode, it's offering not much new actions either (Spoiler tag since it includes some scenes from the episode)

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While the second review is more.positivr about the episode and is also spoiler free,

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I loved the episode. I don't care if there was no big Sci-Fi event or anything in it. I like the characters enough that I can enjoy just watching them interact and deal with everyday problems.. Also how many Sci-Fi shows really explore dating and romance? Instead if it just being part of some adventure story or Sci-FI mystery. Instead of using romance as a little character flavor IT was the story. Plus I like how Ed isn't perfect and kind of a mixture of imature and mature when dealing with a broken heart. Sounds kind of human to me.

It also helps that they literally stole a fan fiction story I was going to do out of my head. It was going to be finding out that Klingons only poop or pee once a year and do it on a sacred alien planet only Klingons know about and all Klingons go their once a a year and Worf was going to take Alexander their for his first time.


Jason
 
So was this the first season episode that was held back?

Which character was played by Jason Alexander? The barman at the beginning of the episode?
 
Yes.

Nobody in real life behaves like sitcom or Orville characters. Their problems are more similar on a superficial level but it’s all pithy and oversimplified and oriented around cliches and punchlines.

Equally unhuman as TNG evolved humanity, just in a different direction, and superficially closer.

I stringly disagree. Most people know SOMEONE who would take the opportunity to make pee jokes given the opportunity (like Bortus is allowed to "relive himself " of duty).

As a parent of a 13 year old and 7 year old.... definitely empathize with the doctor and my 7 year old is like the younger brother, who was disappointed to NOT see the older get in trouble... and my kids seem to be influenced by others at school...

It's a TV show...so sure it will be over simplified..but totally relatable

By the end of the episode I was sick of hearing As Time Goes By. The played it way too many times. Some good humor and it was full of typical sitcom plots. Kind of boring for a premiere.

Was that song played on Deep Space 9? Felt like a song that was played there...also there was a scene with the Doctor where she looks out the window and the camera pans lut... like a scene from DS9

Isn’t the Battle of Tarazed an Andromeda thing? Were they learning stuff from old TV shows? :)

EDIT: I just checked and Tarazed is a real thing. Who knew?
I went to look it up too... intentional easter egg for Andromeda? If so -- very funny. If we have any more teacher scenes... maybe more coming up?




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I thought this was a fun episode... didn't feel like a premiere more like a "regular" episode... perfectly fine that we didn't get what Mercer was aching for like a Krill attack.


I am also struck how it feels like we had more alien species in the crew that we saw in this episode than practically all 7 seasons of TNG
 
I really enjoyed the episode and the "day in the life" feeling of it. I wonder whether the people who take issue with it felt the same way about "Lower Decks" or other Trek episodes where, bluntly, not much happened?

It wasn't a massive premiere event, but I think it served well as a way to reintroduce people to the characters and their current states.

Ed getting caught in the shuttle is both hilarious and hilariously unprofessional, and I think he deserves props for actually meeting with Cassius and helping him. I kind of expected Kelly to figure it out...perhaps they're saving that for later?
 
I really enjoyed the episode and the "day in the life" feeling of it. I wonder whether the people who take issue with it felt the same way about "Lower Decks" or other Trek episodes where, bluntly, not much happened?

I haven't seen it yet, but I imagine people were wanting something exciting for a season premiere. Especially after waiting a year. I'll get to watch it either later this evening or tomorrow.
 
If it's a choice between "exciting" and "good", I'll take good. :)

Of course "good and exciting" may be best, but then, I'm not sure this was ever quite intended to be the premiere?
 
this episode did what it was supposed to do. It was broadcast after a big football game to a mixed audience of fans of Orville and fans of football. It (re-)introduced the characters and the setting. Any big sci-fi action scenes may not have been thought as enticing to the general audience.
 
So was this the first season episode that was held back?

I think that would be the next episode scheduled to be aired on Jan 4.
It's also focused on Bortus/Klyden relationship and it featured them using the holo-simulator in order to rekindle their relationship.

Although I suppose some scenes from that episode were transferred to 'Ja'loja' hence the inconsistencies reviewers have noticed on the episode RE for instance Kelly's different hairstyles.

Which character was played by Jason Alexander? The barman at the beginning of the episode?

Yup exactly. Fingers crossed this won't be a one-time cameo but a long term one a la Norm MacDonald voicing over Yaphit...
 
That was pretty boring. If I wanted to watch a bland sitcom filled with relationship drama I'd watch The Big Bang Theory.
Thank you - this is EXACTLY how I felt. (And yes, it was like the worst of TNG when they did this kind of stuff in the later seasons when thety couldn't be bothered to even include anything 'science fiction' related beyond "Hey, it's a ship...IN SPACE!"
 
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Rather boring. I gave it a six-star rating over at IMDb.

I expected way more from an episode about Bortus taking an annual piss.

I did, however, love the "Star Trek: The Next Generation" / "SeaQuest DSV" combo score from John Debney.


I think my Bortus pee idea is way better:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/seth-macfarlane’s-the-orville.287833/page-73#post-12158680
Yes, I definitely feel a Seaquest vibe to the score, which is something of which I approve. The Orville feels like TNG mixed with Seaquest, and a shimmer of M*A*S*H.

That said, I thoroughly enjoyed the episode. It reintroduced us to the crew, and laid the foundation for an interesting season, which is what I expect a premiere to do.
 
This was a bit of an odd duck of an episode. On the one hand, I can see the merits in having a more subdued, character-driven "day in the life" episode to introduce new fans to the cast and reacquaint existing fans with where everyone stands and what they are doing now. On the other, it wasn't exactly much of a hook if you're looking to bring in new fans with an exciting episode capitalizing on the big end of the regular season football lead-in.

The latter mentioned above is why we get a bit of a reversion and reintroduction of two of the recurring plots from last season: Ed's inability to get over the breakup of his marriage with Kelly and the sometimes inappropriate lengths he will go to as a result, but how he ultimately does the right thing to ensure that she's happy by helping her new boyfriend, and Claire's difficulties as a single-mother raising a typically temperamental new teenager with the blunt but useful assistance and observation of Isaac the android.

It feels like a bit of a step back in Ed's (im)maturity and relationship with Kelly, though I guess a new boyfriend might trigger that. However, his behavior is completely out of line as commanding officer and a former husband, even to a lesser extent when he ultimately tries to help out by tipping off Kelly's new boyfriend about her love of the band Journey and red wine. Yes, it's well-meaning and helps them reconcile after a fight, but it's also substituting the things Ed learned about Kelly instead of letting Cassius discover things on his own naturally, or develop new things they can share. I don't think it was Ed's intention (I think he was genuinely trying to help at the time), but it might serve as an unintentional reminder of his and Kelly's own relationship as she's dating Cassius.

On the flipside, the more of the Claire/Isaac budding relationship or friendship we get the better. They're great together and actually make quite an effective unconventional parenting team.

I didn't expect them to show Bortus actually pissing, but after the running gag of him only pissing once a year and all the build-up of the significance of the ceremony on Moclus, to just have him standing on the edge of a cliff with a satisfied look on his face was a bit of a let-down. I expected maybe not fireworks to erupt from his crotch, but something more shock and awe to impress the bystanders.

I liked the bits with Alara's and Gordon's dating troubles and Alara's blind date with Dann the big head man (recommended by Bortus of all people). Dann's terrible poetry failing to impress Alara but almost moving Gordon to tears was hilarious.

Michaela McManus, who previously played Krill teacher Telara in Season One's episode Krill, returns as a "new" (more on that in a minute) human character named Janel Tyler, a dark matter cartographer (call back to the episode Pria where Charlize Theron's Pria taught them to map dark matter) who just joined the ship and who is someone Gordon spends the episode intending to ask out before chickening out at the last second in a funny scene where he just walks around her table and decides not to ask. Ultimately she sits down at the bar next to a despondent Ed who's drinking his troubles away and strikes up a conversation, implying that a relationship may develop between them.

However, I am firmly convinced that McManus is not just a simple reuse of an actor in a new role like Trek has done countless times, but is in fact the surviving Krill Telara undercover as a human on a reconnaissance and possibly sabotage mission for the Krill, much like Ed and Gordon were on in disguise on Telara's ship previously, sparing her life and the lives of her students but killing all the combatants on the ship when they were left with no other choice to prevent the Krill from massacring a farming colony.

Her name, Janel Tyler, contains the name Telara within it. While it fits with her job description as a dark matter cartographer, she also immediately got acquainted with the navigation station on the bridge and perhaps either inserted a takeover virus or device or something to download their navigation plots and transmit them to the Krill. This is a big stretch, but she's involved in a "dark matter." She made sure to get close to Ed to form a bond with him, either to understand or manipulate him or both (this only applies if she's a double agent). If she's an infiltrator, she's using the exact same tactic Ed and Gordon used. Another stretch, but the repeated use of 'As Time Goes By' could refer to the shifting loyalties of some of the characters in Casablanca, and/or it more likely is just because it's one of Seth MacFarland's favorite songs to use and perform, and it fit the hopeless romantic theme of the episode.

Telara vowed that the Krill would have their revenge, but she also might be curious about Ed's decision to spare the children's lives and thus is taking the uncharacteristic Krill tactic of infiltrating the Orville instead of just killing them outright. Given the more upbeat and cooperative nature of the show, I anticipate that if my theory is correct she will ultimately come to realize that Ed, humanity, and the Union are not her enemy, and she will return to the Krill to try and end their holy war.

It was a good but subdued episode with some nice humor, but one that perhaps might have been better suited for mid-season rather than the season premiere where you're trying to attract new viewers by doing something that "wows" them. I'd give it a 7.5/10.
 
I really enjoyed the episode and the "day in the life" feeling of it. I wonder whether the people who take issue with it felt the same way about "Lower Decks" or other Trek episodes where, bluntly, not much happened?

I loved "Lower Decks" and "Family" is one of my favourite TNG episodes. This episode sucked.
 
Claire took Isaac, & Kelly took Cassius. I think Gordon & Alana were the only one's whose date plans fell through

Right, but both Claire and Isaac and Kelly and Cassius weren't actively trying. Those that did never ended up together. Maybe that's part of the joke.

Also, it felt like despite the episode's length that large parts of the story seemed to have been cut out as you get reference to things that we never saw happening.
 
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