I can't help thinking they looked like an organization had come across the plans for the raptors from NuBSG and copied the design with some differences. I may be remembering them wrong, but the new Orville shuttles seemed like they belonged more with the Krill than the Planetary Union. Most of the PU stuff is sleek and smooth, seems like the shuttle had a lot of sharp edges.
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I can't help thinking they looked like an organization had come across the plans for the raptors from NuBSG and copied the design with some differences. I may be remembering them wrong, but the new Orville shuttles seemed like they belonged more with the Krill than the Planetary Union. Most of the PU stuff is sleek and smooth, seems like the shuttle had a lot of sharp edges.
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It was okay for me. It honestly felt like a bit of a rehashing, but then that might be because it has been several years of nothing, and that would make it necessary to maybe revisit an idea that didn't get fully fleshed out for the season premiere? I'm not sure. Regardless, the episode itself felt stretched thin, with what material was in it, considering it's a season premiere after years of being on hiatus because of COVID. Isaac committing suicide honestly doesn't make me feel anything. Perhaps it was too soon after such a long gulf of inactivity to throw a side punch like that. It landed wrong for me, anyway, as did all of the emotional beats from the primary cast.
I'm hoping it's just everyone trying to get back into their characters after having to set them aside for such a time. Still, it was good to see the characters, Charly Burke is an interesting addition, but... yeah, I wasn't really moved by it.
If I were rating episodes, it would probably be a solid 4, maybe a weak 5. Crossing my fingers it gets better.
I'm hoping it's just everyone trying to get back into their characters after having to set them aside for such a time. Still, it was good to see the characters, Charly Burke is an interesting addition, but... yeah, I wasn't really moved by it.
If I were rating episodes, it would probably be a solid 4, maybe a weak 5. Crossing my fingers it gets better.
I have to say that after watching SNW, this Orville episode feels a bit ham-fisted (both story-wise and from an effects standpoint).
On one hand, I liked the "message" that suicide is never a good option since it closes off choices for the future. I also can't rip too hard on Claire's kids for treating Isaac poorly since they are, ya know, kids.
On the other hand, I hated the overt bullying by the new Ensign. I know they are playing her as grieving, but in addition to the entire high school lunchroom scene in which she is so cruel that the only thing she didn't do is pour chocolate milk over Isaac's head, she also incites other officers to treat Isaac in a similar manner. When she is called into the Captains office about her attitude and behavior, she is not only unapologetic, but she is overtly hostile and blatantly insubordinate. I would have relieved her of duty WAY before Captain Mercer did. Even when she ultimately helps Isaac, she can't just walk away without mouthing off to him at the end. While I realize some of this was intended to make a point within the story, I felt that her behavior simply made her character extremely unlikable and someone who I really hope doesn't become a recurring character this season.
As a whole, I would say that this episode was mediocre at best. I usually enjoy this show far more (and it's only the first episode of the season) so I can only hope that this season improves from here.
On one hand, I liked the "message" that suicide is never a good option since it closes off choices for the future. I also can't rip too hard on Claire's kids for treating Isaac poorly since they are, ya know, kids.
On the other hand, I hated the overt bullying by the new Ensign. I know they are playing her as grieving, but in addition to the entire high school lunchroom scene in which she is so cruel that the only thing she didn't do is pour chocolate milk over Isaac's head, she also incites other officers to treat Isaac in a similar manner. When she is called into the Captains office about her attitude and behavior, she is not only unapologetic, but she is overtly hostile and blatantly insubordinate. I would have relieved her of duty WAY before Captain Mercer did. Even when she ultimately helps Isaac, she can't just walk away without mouthing off to him at the end. While I realize some of this was intended to make a point within the story, I felt that her behavior simply made her character extremely unlikable and someone who I really hope doesn't become a recurring character this season.
As a whole, I would say that this episode was mediocre at best. I usually enjoy this show far more (and it's only the first episode of the season) so I can only hope that this season improves from here.
She is a series regular (Main Cast).
Ugh. That sounds terrible. This episode made her worse than Eleven's bully on Stranger Things. I would rather have that girl piloting the Orville.
Maybe there a bunch of new crewmen were reassigned to the Orville that were the main group opposed to Isaac?
isaac’s voice sounded different than I had remembered. I almost thought he had been recast.
I thought there had been a downgrade in the special effects but I think that was because I watched it after Strange New Worlds. But I looked at previous episodes of the Orville and the show does look a bit better than season 2.
isaac’s voice sounded different than I had remembered. I almost thought he had been recast.
I thought there had been a downgrade in the special effects but I think that was because I watched it after Strange New Worlds. But I looked at previous episodes of the Orville and the show does look a bit better than season 2.
Do you think he has changed?
I guess it's been so long since S2 that I totally forgot that the continuity doesn't make sense. They were probably counting on that. lol
I preferred their shift toward just being a straight TNG rip-off rather than a heightened Galaxy Quest, but I can see people being disappointed if that's what they were watching for.
Hah, I guess there's a divide between S1 and S2 in the same way that people seem to either like the first half of Discovery and the second half?
I preferred their shift toward just being a straight TNG rip-off rather than a heightened Galaxy Quest, but I can see people being disappointed if that's what they were watching for.
I actually liked this because it took Sisko's outright hostility of meeting the man who killed his wife and 11,000 other people and turned it into an arc. Like, all the humans are evolved in the Star Trek universe and understand that he didn't mean to do the things he did as Locutus, but I can imagine a child being terrified of him.
I don't totally agree with what they say about...
Suicide.
They make it seem as if it were always a choice dictated only by reasoning and logic and it is a choice that falls solely on those who committed suicide. They spent episode repeating to each other "It's not your fault, it was his choice!".
Tell the victims of bullying.
They make it seem as if it were always a choice dictated only by reasoning and logic and it is a choice that falls solely on those who committed suicide. They spent episode repeating to each other "It's not your fault, it was his choice!".
Tell the victims of bullying.
It is interesting that I see so many people saying, "The Orville starts so-so then gets really good" on one hand and on the other, "The Orville starts really funny then gets overly serious and loses its quirkiness."
So yeah, it is a bit of a divide, IMHO.
I think you could also simply be that emotions took time to settle. People needing a bit to realize, "Oh, wow, Isaac flat out knew all along his people were planning to kill us all."
Gordon disappointed me. He was one member of the crew who I would have expected to support Isaac. As immature as he is, he's always come across as pretty emotionally healthy and tolerant.
Issac believes everything he does is dictated by logic alone. Others believe this (because that's what he tells them), so they don't believe he can be affected emotionally. However, it is increasingly hinted that the Kaylon gaining sentience included emotions which they were never equipped to handle, or even express! Spock had a similar problem, but he was aware of it. Issac has no concept of emotion. For that reason, hurting him does more damage than usual.
As for the planet where suicide was normal, that's just weird, almost Moclan weird.
As for the planet where suicide was normal, that's just weird, almost Moclan weird.
I am very pleased with the season premiere episode. The higher budget shows. A lot of the shots were almost cinematic. The orchestral score is fantastic. The episode did deal with some heady issues and handled them fairly well IMO. The acting was pretty good. I thought the scenes with Claire and Isaac were very good. You could definitely feel the weight of the matter, from the hatred of the crew, to the grief over Isaac's suicide. I think this episode was on par with any good TNG episode.
Between Strange New Worlds and The Orville, it is a good time to be a scifi fan.
Between Strange New Worlds and The Orville, it is a good time to be a scifi fan.
Isaac thinks he doesn't have emotion and I kind of think the Kaylon Prime basically would be like, "Of course we feel emotions, Isaac. We HATE organics."
Eh, I thought this was fine. Clearly they have a higher budget, but it didn't blow me away. Better than anything from Season 1, but I think Season 2 hit higher highs than this.
One major glaring issue with the episode was the completely gratuitous fighter scene. I get they want to show off the $$$ they can spend now towards CGI, but it was a shakedown flight, meaning it was a literal no-stakes action scene. I was taken so out of the viewing experience I started wondering what the hell the writers were thinking. Particularly because there was a perfectly cromulant action scene later in the same episode where they could have found an excuse to show off the new fighter.
Beyond that, I appreciated the themes of the episode, but I honestly feel like most of the main cast didn't quite have the acting chops to pull off this depressing of a story. The new woman playing the Charly character in particular just came across as not displaying the acting range needed to convey the level of hatred she was supposed to feel. It came across as "mean girl" when it could have been so much more.
That said, Penny Johnson Jerald hits it out of the park here, and basically salvages this episode (like she has done with so many Orville episodes). She's just wonderful here, and gets across the complex feelings she has toward Isaac, from her continued pain regarding the betrayal to her lingering feelings for him (feelings which - even if not reciprocated - come across as 100% true. Her performance alone came close to making me cry for crissakes. That's some good acting.
One major glaring issue with the episode was the completely gratuitous fighter scene. I get they want to show off the $$$ they can spend now towards CGI, but it was a shakedown flight, meaning it was a literal no-stakes action scene. I was taken so out of the viewing experience I started wondering what the hell the writers were thinking. Particularly because there was a perfectly cromulant action scene later in the same episode where they could have found an excuse to show off the new fighter.
Beyond that, I appreciated the themes of the episode, but I honestly feel like most of the main cast didn't quite have the acting chops to pull off this depressing of a story. The new woman playing the Charly character in particular just came across as not displaying the acting range needed to convey the level of hatred she was supposed to feel. It came across as "mean girl" when it could have been so much more.
That said, Penny Johnson Jerald hits it out of the park here, and basically salvages this episode (like she has done with so many Orville episodes). She's just wonderful here, and gets across the complex feelings she has toward Isaac, from her continued pain regarding the betrayal to her lingering feelings for him (feelings which - even if not reciprocated - come across as 100% true. Her performance alone came close to making me cry for crissakes. That's some good acting.
I wonder how many people attended Issac's funeral were there because they liked him and didn't hold a grudge vs. people who were there just to be respectful.
There was one officer in engineering who came up to him to see what he was doing, and she felt very friendly and genuinely interested in his work. I think I spotted her at the funeral near Yaphet.
Filming finished August 2021, so he could have finished alot of VO before he died.
There was one officer in engineering who came up to him to see what he was doing, and she felt very friendly and genuinely interested in his work. I think I spotted her at the funeral near Yaphet.
I wonder how much he had recorded before he died.
Filming finished August 2021, so he could have finished alot of VO before he died.
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This. I really hated the stuff Charly said to Marcus. That put me off her character more than the stuff she said to Mercer in his ready room.
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