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The Inhumans Marvel/IMAX

X-fans justifiably hated Inhumans for a while. (And in fact I think just plain Marvel comics fans in general were justified in hating Inhumans for a long period of their way too heavy push.)
But that time has passed. The current state of X-Men on the Marvel publishing side is about a billion times higher than the current Inhumans slate. There simply is no reason to complain. No X-fan could look at the Inhumans today and be jealous.
You can, however, judge and dislike the Inhumans tv show on its own merit. Which it's safe to say that folks actually are doing.


Tarek71 said:
If I were involved in making Iron Fist, Id be relieved that my show has passed that torch to these folks.
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lolololol classic

Speaking of Iron Fist, refresh my memory: have we heard who's involved with or in charge of making season 2?
 
kitik said:
X-fans justifiably hated Inhumans for a while.
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For what, being given a LITTLE focus while the X-Men had been the Belle of the Ball for like 40 years? There's also the hatred they have for all other Marvel characters as well, given how PO'ed they were at characters like Iron Man and Cap becoming more popular in the mainstream consciousness.

There's no justification for that attitude.
 
kitik said:
lolololol classic

Speaking of Iron Fist, refresh my memory: have we heard who's involved with or in charge of making season 2?
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Apparently the last fellow decided to trainwreck Inhumans after leaving Iron Fist in a similar state.
 
Anwar said:
There's no justification for that attitude.
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Cubic Centimeter said:
How so?
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Marvel publishes a finite number of comics every month, be it 75 or 80 or whatever. There's only room for so many on their schedule, and they only have so many resources available. Stories had been going on for a few years about Marvel wanting to emphasize the Inhumans and deemphasize the X-Men (and Fantastic Four) thanks to media rights for those characters being with Fox instead of Marvel. How much you believe of those stories is up to you, but after hearing it for so long, it's logical to assume that where there's smoke there's fire. Especially when it's people in the business actually saying it.

Marvel took some direct action, including cancelling the FF comic and ending a few of the X-men comics, shutting down FF and X-Men merchandising for a while (it seems to be back now fortunately), and even de-mutantifying two prominent characters, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

Say what you will about the rest, but if you publish fewer X-Men books and try to replace them with Inhuman books, X-Men fans will understandably take out their anger on the Inhumans. It's pretty easy to point at the Inhumans and say "thats why you're getting fewer X-men books this year". (Not that anyone has any "right" to make Marvel publish comics of their favorite characters, but this seems to have been a corporate decision, and certainly not one the fans wanted.)

Marvel even went so far as to embrace the controversy/anger, and write it into the comics themselves, with a major storyline involving the Inhumans terrigen mist actually killing mutants.

How much of it was Marvel actually trying to replace the X-Men with the Inhumans? How much of it was Marvel trying to take the air out of Fox? And how much of it was Marvel just trying to get X-Men fans a bit worried and riled up so they'd support the X-Men comics that were still being published? Who can say. In general it seems to be over now though, as it seems like there have been many more prominent X-Men launches this year than Inhumans ones.


If you want to believe there's nothing to all of it and it's all a bunch of internet hoo-ha, no one will stop you. As I said it generally seems to be over now (or at least Marvel has finally found a comfortable middle with regards to how much they want to push "Fox properties"), so I'd just as soon let my (long winded) part in this discussion be over and in the past too.
 
kitik said:
Say what you will about the rest, but if you publish fewer X-Men books and try to replace them with Inhuman books, X-Men fans will understandably take out their anger on the Inhumans.
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That doesn't make sense. The people to be angry at are the corporate folks making those decisions, not the writers and artists they hire to do the actual books -- and certainly not the characters themselves, which seems to be what you're saying. A story can still be worthwhile even if it only comes about as a result of corporate politics above the pay grade of the people actually creating the story. Those folks are just trying to do the best they can within the limits set by their bosses. And the quality of a story should be judged independently of external factors like corporate politics.

Of course, there are certainly people out there who hold attitudes that don't make sense. But it isn't right to generalize those attitudes to all fans. It should be obvious to anyone who spends any time online that no fanbase is uniform or united in its beliefs. If you're hearing these opinions from some fans, they're probably just a few overdramatic whiners making a disproportionate amount of noise online.
 
kitik said:
Marvel publishes a finite number of comics every month, be it 75 or 80 or whatever. There's only room for so many on their schedule, and they only have so many resources available.
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The X-Men have been getting the Lion's Share of publishing for 40 years now, you'd think they'd be able to accept that there's more to Marvel than just their books and that maybe there'll be times where others get their share of the publishing.

Hell, over-emphasis on the X-Men possibly is what led to the Marvel bankruptcy in the 90s.
 
kitik said:
Marvel publishes a finite number of comics every month, be it 75 or 80 or whatever. There's only room for so many on their schedule, and they only have so many resources available. Stories had been going on for a few years about Marvel wanting to emphasize the Inhumans and deemphasize the X-Men (and Fantastic Four) thanks to media rights for those characters being with Fox instead of Marvel. How much you believe of those stories is up to you, but after hearing it for so long, it's logical to assume that where there's smoke there's fire. Especially when it's people in the business actually saying it.

Marvel took some direct action, including cancelling the FF comic and ending a few of the X-men comics, shutting down FF and X-Men merchandising for a while (it seems to be back now fortunately), and even de-mutantifying two prominent characters, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.
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There's a new video game Marvel vs Capcom Infinite where the roster is suspiciously devoid of X-Men despite being a staple in previous games in the series so there does seem to be something to them deliberately avoiding them.

Here, they were trying to defend the decision because some fans might not remember who the X-Men are(!).
http://comicbook.com/gaming/2017/06/27/marvel-vs-capcom-infinite-no-x-men-fans-forgotten-them/
Don't know about that...
 
Mr. Adventure said:
There's a new video game Marvel vs Capcom Infinite where the roster is suspiciously devoid of X-Men despite being a staple in previous games in the series so there does seem to be something to them deliberately avoiding them.

Here, they were trying to defend the decision because some fans might not remember who the X-Men are(!).
http://comicbook.com/gaming/2017/06/27/marvel-vs-capcom-infinite-no-x-men-fans-forgotten-them/
Don't know about that...
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Yeah, its pretty much confirmed that Marvel is trying to hide/delete the X-Men/F4 in most things. There are even shirts that have this image

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Edited to this

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Its not an MCU thing since She-Hulk isn't in the MCU, and it certainly isn't for popularity because Iron Fist isn't more popular then Wolverine.

I also have a official Marvel day calendar that edited this image

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by editing "All your X-Men" to "all your comics", and it also has absolutely no X-Men or FF images, so even little references to X-Men are being removed from merchandise. Its all really petty shit, really. I like the Inhumans a lot, but Marvel/Disney is neurotic about the X-Men/FF at this point. The only reason X-Men comics have stuck around is because they are top sellers for the company to the point that the money they make overcomes the pettiness of whatever Executive(s) don't want to "promote" characters with film rights that are owned by other companies.
 
They do have X-Men characters in Marvel: Puzzle Quest. The loading page right now shows a bunch of them, I have Storm, Magneto, and Juggernaut as playable characters, and I had to do a fight against Daken.
 
JD said:
They do have X-Men characters in Marvel: Puzzle Quest. The loading page right now shows a bunch of them, I have Storm, Magneto, and Juggernaut as playable characters, and I had to do a fight against Daken.
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Don't know anything about that game but google shows it came out in 2013 so it probably predates this.
 
Mr. Adventure said:
There's a new video game Marvel vs Capcom Infinite where the roster is suspiciously devoid of X-Men despite being a staple in previous games in the series so there does seem to be something to them deliberately avoiding them.
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My hope is that stuff like that was planned out and put in the pipeline back when Marvel was actively ignoring X-Men licensing. Now that the comics side of the biz is embracing the X-Men a bit more, hopefully the licensing will follow. (Obviously a lot of licensing needs longer lead times.)

Note that companies like Hasbro and Funko have put out a number of X-Men specific waves recently, and Marvel certainly will continue to milk Deadpool for as long as they can, so hopefully that's a turn in the right direction.

I have no idea what heppened and exactly when , but I have to wonder if the wheels started turning last year when Marvel approved the Legion tv series on FX, and now they've approved The Gifted too. At some level, Marvel and Fox are at least talking again, so there's at least some reason to be optimistic.

Do note though that all of these X-Men toys and all of these Deadpool t-shirts are pretty much 100% based on the comics designs of the characters. You can get a movie/tv style Loki or Thor or Daredevil figure, but you cannot get a movie-style Wolverine or Mystique. You'll have to be happy with the comic-designs for those characters.

And also as far as licensing goes, Inhumans obviously did not replace the X-Men. But now that I think about it, I do kind of wonder if the X-Men "slowdown" started when Marvel realized they had a licensing goldmine with Guardians of the Galaxy.
 
Anyways, new Inhumans episode tonight!

With an 8-episode story planned, perhaps the good parts of the show are still to come. All that Hawaiian scenery in the first two episodes may have looked pretty on Imax (and at home too), but with less of that in the future episodes, perhaps the show will have more room to impress via the story itself.
 
I'm pretty sure the only reason Legion and Gifted got made is because Fox traded something back to Marvel Studios in exchange for the TV rights to the X-Men characters. Maybe it was the Skrulls and Kree.
 
Marvel had the Kree going all the way back to the first season of Agents of Shield. The Skrulls on the other hand... I was really surprised to hear they were going to be the antagonists in the Captain Marvel movie, so maybe there's something to that.
 
I never realized that Fox didn't already have the live-action TV rights to the X-Men and FF. I thought those went along with the feature film rights. But I guess that would explain why they didn't do any TV series before last year.
 
Mr. Adventure said:
Don't know anything about that game but google shows it came out in 2013 so it probably predates this.
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It's updated constantly, and the loading screen just changed from the Homecoming Spider-Man to Storm, Colossus and Wolverine earlier this week. There's also a limited time event involving Apocalypse that just popped up in the last day or two. They appear to be doing a big X-Men thing right now.
 
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