The Ice Cave Coincidence

[jadcox@mindspring.com]

One of the script reviews for Star Trek 2009 talked about a cut (or unfilmed) snatch of dialog that made the coincidental meeting between Kirk and Spock Prime seem more, um, logical. Does anyone know what that line or lines might have said?

Thanks!

 

[Jeri]

I've never had a problem with it.

Nero wanted Spock to watch Vulcan destroyed and dumped Spock off on Delta Vega on his way out of the Vulcan system. Nero wanted Spock to live and suffer as he himself had, so Nero put him walking distance from a Federation outpost.

Quinto/Spock dumped Kirk out on Delta Vega on their way out of the Vulcan system, too. Both the Narada and Enterprise were on course for Earth out of there. Quinto/Spock intended for Kirk also to walk to the Federation outpost.

Any time somebody's caught on a barren planet, they head for what looks like shelter, which the caves would have been.

No problem. I don't get why people think it is.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Well, a planet is rather large.

 

[Jeri]

Didn't you read the part where they are both set down near the Federation outpost?

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Dôh. Point withdrawn.

 

[Jeri]

Yeah...I wasn't being sarcastic, btw. I did think you just missed it.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

I read too fast. Your explanation makes sense.

 

[God Magnus]

I agree with the above points, but I also think the point of that part is to drive home the point of destiny, a strong theme in the film. It showed that even in a wacky, timeline disrupted universe, Kirk and Spock were meant to work together. A comforting thought for this old school fan.

 

[SalvorHardin]

One of the script reviews for Star Trek 2009 talked about a cut (or unfilmed) snatch of dialog that made the coincidental meeting between Kirk and Spock Prime seem more, um, logical. Does anyone know what that line or lines might have said?

Thanks!

I believe it had something to do with fate, destiny and the universe trying to correct itself thus bringing Kirk and Spock Prime together so they can work towards that correction.

I don't know if it would make the meeting seem more logical to some, but it would certainly add an extra aura of mysticism and "higher" powers at work perhaps.

 

[Franklin]

One of the script reviews for Star Trek 2009 talked about a cut (or unfilmed) snatch of dialog that made the coincidental meeting between Kirk and Spock Prime seem more, um, logical. Does anyone know what that line or lines might have said?

Thanks!

There was originally a line where Spock Prime said he thought the timeline was trying to repair itself, hence the "coincidence" of Kirk and Spock Prime being thrown together. Apparently Orci and Kurtzman debated whether or not to leave the line in the movie. I don't remember which one did, but one of them supported leaving it in. Obviously, he lost, but in an interview, he said he thought the line would've worked.
I think as God Magnus said, given the role of destiny was a big theme in the movie, you could simply infer that this meeting was a little more than coincidence. Maybe that's why they ulimtately decided the line was not needed.
I would not argue with anyone who said that on the face of it, and as an elementary story-telling device, the coincidence is hard to take, even with the Federation outpost on the planet (which is coincidentally there, and coincidentally houses Scotty). I would say that destiny taking a hand is the explanation, however. Maybe Spock Prime's line should've stayed in the movie.

 

[Crusher Disciple]

Spock spent Kirk to Spock.

He couldn't get rid of Kirk, no matter how hard he tried.

As Mc Coy might say, FML.

 

[LeahBoBo]

Good points all; however, I like being able to come to the conclusion that fate and destiny played heavily in these events on my own (which I did) without extra help through the script.

Also, as Jeri said, the way things played out never bothered me. nuSpock didn't intend to kill Kirk, and he was supposed to stay in the pod until a rescue team from the Federation outpost found him. Even if Kirk had done that, he and Spock Prime would have still ended up meeting since I doubt Spock Prime would have stayed in the cave forever.

 

[Yeoman Randi]

One of the script reviews for Star Trek 2009 talked about a cut (or unfilmed) snatch of dialog that made the coincidental meeting between Kirk and Spock Prime seem more, um, logical. Does anyone know what that line or lines might have said?

Thanks!

There was originally a line where Spock Prime said he thought the timeline was trying to repair itself, hence the "coincidence" of Kirk and Spock Prime being thrown together. Apparently Orci and Kurtzman debated whether or not to leave the line in the movie. I don't remember which one did, but one of them supported leaving it in. Obviously, he lost, but in an interview, he said he thought the line would've worked.
I think as God Magnus said, given the role of destiny was a big theme in the movie, you could simply infer that this meeting was a little more than coincidence. Maybe that's why they ulimtately decided the line was not needed.
I would not argue with anyone who said that on the face of it, and as an elementary story-telling device, the coincidence is hard to take, even with the Federation outpost on the planet (which is coincidentally there, and coincidentally houses Scotty). I would say that destiny taking a hand is the explanation, however. Maybe Spock Prime's line should've stayed in the movie.

I'm one of those that was bothered by the rather large coincidence. I would have preferred it if they left that line in.

I'm in menopause. You cant expect me to be able to think this stuff through on my own anymore.......

 

[Psion]

I've never had a problem with it.

Nero wanted Spock to watch Vulcan destroyed and dumped Spock off on Delta Vega on his way out of the Vulcan system. Nero wanted Spock to live and suffer as he himself had, so Nero put him walking distance from a Federation outpost.

Quinto/Spock dumped Kirk out on Delta Vega on their way out of the Vulcan system, too. Both the Narada and Enterprise were on course for Earth out of there. Quinto/Spock intended for Kirk also to walk to the Federation outpost.

Any time somebody's caught on a barren planet, they head for what looks like shelter, which the caves would have been.

No problem. I don't get why people think it is.

No way. Spock said the outpost was 20 kilometers away. That means that in an area of over 1200 square kilometers, Kirk just happened to run into Spock at the exact moment he needed to be rescued. Imagine you're dropped within 20 kilometers of Manhatten. How likely are you to run into someone you need to meet who was also dropped within 20 kilometers? Consider how many people get lost and die in the mountains or desert and they're only a few miles from their car. And how long it takes rescuers to find them.

No, that was a huge and unlikely coincidence.

 

[barnaclelapse]

I agree with the above points, but I also think the point of that part is to drive home the point of destiny, a strong theme in the film. It showed that even in a wacky, timeline disrupted universe, Kirk and Spock were meant to work together. A comforting thought for this old school fan.

That was my thought, too, and I didn't have a problem with it at all.

 

[Jeri]

No way. Spock said the outpost was 20 kilometers away. That means that in an area of over 1200 square kilometers...

As far as I'm concerned, this is where destiny comes in. I got them pretty close with my explanation (the escape-pod computer says 14 kilometers), and destiny can do the rest.

 

[Anticitizen]

Well, JJ did say he was more of a Star Wars guy. Looks like The Force is being shoved into Star Trek, which explains why Kirk landed on Dagobah right next to Yoda. Er, I mean Luke landed on Delta Vega right next to Spock. I mean, er...

Replace 'Thrusters on Full' with The Force will be with you, Kirk... always....

 

[Jeri]

We already had katras and telepathy; destiny is no stretch. Spock felt all the souls die on the Intrepid. Let's not get peanut butter on our chocolate here.

 

[Captain MAJ]

We already had katras and telepathy; destiny is no stretch. Spock felt all the souls die on the Intrepid. Let's not get peanut butter on our chocolate here.

I love peanut butter on chocolate.....mmmmm Reeses.

 

[Yeoman Randi]

^ me three

Captain MAJ. Your avatar is both awesome and disturbing at the same time. Can't say that about too many things in this world. LOVE IT!