I posted because a certain somebody dropped a 'like' on one of my posts.
Well, you do say interesting things.
Sorry for any alarm caused.
The Handmaid's Tale (TV series)
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Well, you do say interesting things.
Sorry for any alarm caused.
All I'm doing is relating what sorts of conversations happen on the YouTube reaction channels. Most of the time when a woman hosts one, she's black, and the one time it was a white woman, she ranted about Luke's conversation with Waterford, exclaiming over and over, "What's wrong with Luke? Doesn't he know he's BLACK?"
My response: "Yeah, he might have noticed at least once, when he looked in the bathroom mirror... what's your point?" (these sorts of comments tend to bring the snark front and center). If Luke isn't focusing on his own skin color during that conversation, why should the viewers get hysterical about it?
Anyway, I do get the frustration with June's plot armor. Things that other Handmaids get punished for, or even executed, June either skates on or she makes a deal of some kind. Mind you, she hasn't gone unpunished either, having had her feet whipped more than once, and that sadistic punishment Aunt Lydia dreamed up in the hospital, not to mention Serena's cruelty when they mistakenly thought June was pregnant and it turned out to be a false alarm - ffs, she never claimed to be pregnant!
It's not true that the only Handmaids that were killed were black. But I guess some people would rather rant and screech. The conversation is more calm on the channels hosted by men, at least usually.
As for the casting, the 1990 movie adhered to the novel, and there's a scene showing black people being marched off to wherever they were taken. If memory serves, that would have been the colonies, as Atwood wanted to show how hypocritical the Sons of Jacob were. They were soooo 'concerned' about the falling birthrate that they decided that they only wanted white women's babies, and to hell with the rest of the fertile women.
What worked in a 1990 movie would not have worked 25-30 years later. The showrunner and production team would have been eviscerated for not using a diverse cast, so they changed that aspect of the story from how it was in the novel.
Thank you!Well, you do say interesting things.
Sorry for any alarm caused.
(no alarm caused; it was a nice surprise!)
*bump*
It's valid to bump this thread, since Season 6 is FINALLY being shown.
It's 4 episodes in, so is anyone besides me still watching?
It's valid to bump this thread, since Season 6 is FINALLY being shown.
It's 4 episodes in, so is anyone besides me still watching?
Yup, I'm still watching. I meant to bump this thread the other day when I finally got around to watching the first four episodes.
A strong opening, those episodes...aside from the silly divergence of Luke and Moira getting trapped in No Man's Land where they were never in any real danger (dramatically speaking) and only served to draw June back into the fight.
I loved the surprise reunion between June and Holly (I was genuinely convinced she was dead) and how they were able to console and reconcile their years of pain being apart. I also liked the reminder that Nicole's real name is actually Holly, a point that I felt like even the show had forgotten about up until then.
I still loathe Serena and how the show won't let go trying to convince us she's someone worth rooting for when she continues to show no growth and no real understanding of what she has done. I won't say I enjoyed what she experienced on the train with the understandably upset refugees, but I'm glad she faced some real fury beyond June and her circle. Even though, again, she learned nothing from the experience. And, of course, I'm not at all surprised she has returned to Gilead with open arms as the new spokeswoman for New Bethlehem, fully utilizing her greatest strength: Silk-voiced propagandist.
The rest is just kind of there, including all things Nick, but I still love everything with Lawrence, if only because I adore Bradley Whitford so much.
We didn't get much of Aunt Lydia and Janine but that'll change soon with the Jezebel attack. I'm glad the show is finally giving Moira something meaty to do after a few seasons of not much. I'm also glad they didn't hold back or quickly undo the serious conflict between her and June regarding the Jezebel attack.
A strong opening, those episodes...aside from the silly divergence of Luke and Moira getting trapped in No Man's Land where they were never in any real danger (dramatically speaking) and only served to draw June back into the fight.
I loved the surprise reunion between June and Holly (I was genuinely convinced she was dead) and how they were able to console and reconcile their years of pain being apart. I also liked the reminder that Nicole's real name is actually Holly, a point that I felt like even the show had forgotten about up until then.
I still loathe Serena and how the show won't let go trying to convince us she's someone worth rooting for when she continues to show no growth and no real understanding of what she has done. I won't say I enjoyed what she experienced on the train with the understandably upset refugees, but I'm glad she faced some real fury beyond June and her circle. Even though, again, she learned nothing from the experience. And, of course, I'm not at all surprised she has returned to Gilead with open arms as the new spokeswoman for New Bethlehem, fully utilizing her greatest strength: Silk-voiced propagandist.
The rest is just kind of there, including all things Nick, but I still love everything with Lawrence, if only because I adore Bradley Whitford so much.
We didn't get much of Aunt Lydia and Janine but that'll change soon with the Jezebel attack. I'm glad the show is finally giving Moira something meaty to do after a few seasons of not much. I'm also glad they didn't hold back or quickly undo the serious conflict between her and June regarding the Jezebel attack.
I posted this in a NZ thread earlier. It is a CBC show that talks about current arts and culture topics.
I don't think that is what they are doing. I understand where you are coming from and I thought similar watching episode 1, but the end of 3 into 4 changed my mind. Just when you think she's looking like she could be viewed as redeemable, she opens up her big mouth. When Serena jumped at the opportunity to serve in New Bethlehem she showed all she wants is power and control. Plus, as we saw in the previews for the rest of the season we see she keeps choosing options that improve her position.
I think the goal of the writers is to show she is beyond redemption. I expect the end of her story arc will be epic.
Of course, her relationship with June feels a bit like Thelma and Louise.
Janine looks totally badass.
Me too. He might be my favorite character. I'd like to know how he's able to get away with no t having a handmaid. That was an issue before his real wife died.
June, Luke, Moira... They are all terribly broken. Then again, who wouldn't be?
Here is a question. References to Uber and Costco took me out of the episodes for a moment. I'm sure Costco was around before the Sons of Jacob seized power (though we did not have one in my location during Season 1), but was Uber a thing back that long ago?
Yeah, I think you're right. I guess my brain was so stuck on Serena's "poor me" act in the first episode that I couldn't look past it even after she showed her true colors, yet again.
I would not be surprised if they had such an ending...or something closer to Reichenbach Falls...
You're god damn right!
How Lawrence gets away with anything is the most enduring mystery of the whole show. I attribute it to Whitford's charisma.
I certainly would be. I certainly feel that way with how things are going in reality, barreling towards this fiction. But that's a discussion for other parts of the board.
I distinctly recall Ubers being around in 2016 while I was stationed in Europe. Wikipedia says it was founded in 2010 but didn't become a big rideshare service until a few years later.
The show began in 2017 but I don't recall if a firm year has ever been established aside from broadly in the near future.
There was so much preaching in that first episode that I'd have shoved her off the train just for that. Minus the kid.
THT was always meant to be a near-future dystopia that could happen if we weren't careful about who we elected and what we (general 'we') were willing to tolerate. Back in 1990 when the movie came out, I said to a friend that if this happened, it would be in her niece's generation, which I guesstimated to be anywhere from 1995 - 2000 or maybe a couple of years later. Of course I had no way of knowing how the political situation would change so drastically during those years.
No specific year was ever mentioned in the novels, movie, or TV series. Atwood was smart that way, so the book couldn't ever seem obsolete when time passed on.
Looks like the literary chickens are coming home to roost in both our countries. I'm both anticipating and dreading April 28.
Here's the less-explicit version of the theatrical trailer for the 1990 movie. There's a more explicit version on YT that shows the Ceremony and Offred and Nick having sex. The movie version of Offred is given the name "Kate" and her daughter is "Rebecca". There's no love triangle involving Nick and Luke -
As in the novel, Luke is killed at the beginning.
Some of the comments seem to think this version is a romance. Obviously they never watched it. It's a more faithful adaptation than the TV series, with the exception of the ending.
Fun fact: Back in the 1990s I started a fanfic crossover project, crossing this movie with the TV series Sliders. I still intend to finish it some day. Juggling Atwood's writing style with two different sets of Sliders characters, writing in that show's style for those characters and making it all mesh has been a challenge, but I think it's going to work. There's enough fanfic for the TV series that I don't feel the need to add to it.
I want to know how June managed to get all the way across Canada to Alaska without the train stopping anywhere, and in such a short time, considering that there is NO train service that runs from Canada to Alaska in the first place (I just looked it up). And how did Serena's baby survive being thrown out of a moving train?
It makes more sense to deport the refugees to Alaska. Good grief, one of the dumbest questions I ever saw in a YT reaction video comment section was "Why don't the Canadians just give Little America to the Americans?"
Hello, "Little America" was one district in the city of Toronto. I asked the person if the situation was reversed, would the American government just give away part of one of their cities to the Canadians for a new province?
But in the interest of keeping things somewhat true to life without making shit up, they should have had the train let them out in Vancouver, or at least somewhere near Vancouver and then bussed them there, to catch a ship or ferry.
For years I've been wondering if the show has any advisors on what parts of the Canada storyline make sense and which are ridiculous to impossible. By this point, I think it's safe to say that the answer is no.
It makes more sense to deport the refugees to Alaska. Good grief, one of the dumbest questions I ever saw in a YT reaction video comment section was "Why don't the Canadians just give Little America to the Americans?"
Hello, "Little America" was one district in the city of Toronto. I asked the person if the situation was reversed, would the American government just give away part of one of their cities to the Canadians for a new province?
But in the interest of keeping things somewhat true to life without making shit up, they should have had the train let them out in Vancouver, or at least somewhere near Vancouver and then bussed them there, to catch a ship or ferry.
For years I've been wondering if the show has any advisors on what parts of the Canada storyline make sense and which are ridiculous to impossible. By this point, I think it's safe to say that the answer is no.
Would building a railway to Alaska be a good idea after the contiguous 48 fell to Gilead?
The idea has at least been proposed
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I wept at the long overdue reunion between June, Moira, and Janine, I wept at June and Moira finally having their much-needed reckoning, I laughed at them breaking the ice of that tension, and I wept and cheered at June and Moira turning the tables on the Guardian who nearly raped them, before they got their long overdue cathartic act of revenge. It doesn't make up for the years of pain they've suffered, but at least in that moment, it helped just a little.
Unfortunately, their lingering in that room cost them dearly. They lost the letters and map Janine gave them (wept especially at losing the letters), they've endangered their Mayday mission, one that Janine has placed her absolute trust in them. And now they're completely at the mercy of Lawrence.
Lucky for them (maybe), he just overhead how Commander Jonah, I mean, Bell (Timothy Simons is such perfect casting), and the other commanders are planning to roll back all of the advances of New Bethlehem and eventually put Lawrence on the Wall. If this isn't the time to defect, there never will be one.
Oh, and Serena got engaged after she was given a library. Meh. And Nick did some light hospital murdering. Also meh.
Unfortunately, their lingering in that room cost them dearly. They lost the letters and map Janine gave them (wept especially at losing the letters), they've endangered their Mayday mission, one that Janine has placed her absolute trust in them. And now they're completely at the mercy of Lawrence.
Lucky for them (maybe), he just overhead how Commander Jonah, I mean, Bell (Timothy Simons is such perfect casting), and the other commanders are planning to roll back all of the advances of New Bethlehem and eventually put Lawrence on the Wall. If this isn't the time to defect, there never will be one.
Oh, and Serena got engaged after she was given a library. Meh. And Nick did some light hospital murdering. Also meh.