Not that I can think of. The only plot-specific thing I recall is a mention of
Henderson's death,
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Part of what was nagging at me was that I assumed the various Forces were existing outside of time. Deon's presence, helping Iris had me leaning towards that. But a scan of last season's episodes reveal that they aren't, and time can be overwritten for them as well. Last season's "Timeless" Ep 10, shows this implicitly....But Despero wouldn't know that. Barry shows him his memories, and Dez goes "oops, my bad".
So Thawne's (insanely) surgically precise alterations don't appear to stretch as far back into last season as I thought-which is what I had been tripping over. Nora and Bart were never born in this version of the timeline. But if Nora & Bart never existed, then the Godspeed war couldn't have happened and then Thawne wouldn't have... aaaaarg! STOP THINKING! STOP IT!
I think that Thawne is a Red Herring--villain for the next episode but there is actually something else going on.
Or this is why he hates Barry Allen.
Someone else made this time line, and this is just where he fell in love with Iris, and Barry ruined every thing.
Have you all seen a trailer for next week which confirms that it is Thawne and not Wells?
I don't watch the trailers---but it was pretty obvious it was Thrawne I thought.
I think the dialogue in the trailer makes me pretty obvious that it is Thawn:
Barry: "Thawn, what did you do?"
Thawn: "I finally did what I set out to do all those years ago"
Barry: "it's been you this whole time!"
Thawn: "I won, I finally won! Who's faster now?"
So did that Cerebro comment mean that Marvel Comics exist there?
Oh, yes, the characters in the Arrowverse shows have made numerous references to Marvel characters over the years.
There have been a few random references in some of the MCU movies. Most recently Eternals had Phastos' son calling Ikaris Superman and Kingo makes an Alfred reference.
Ah the old days. Sweet memories.
You know what, you're right. Eternals just came out and I forgot all about it.
Guess things are changing now.
JLA/Avengers 2003 was the last comic crossover the two companies did. I read on CBR a decade or so ago, that they allegedly stopped doing crossovers because some exec at Marvel thought they were gimmicky. Which is hilarious. Considering that after the 2003 crossover with DC. Marvel has been pumping out line-wide events and multi-character events every year to hype the sale of their books since 2004.
House of M - Wanda "No More Mutants". Featuring the Avengers, X-Men, Spider-Man and the FF.
Civil War - Superhero Registration - Tony Stark and Reed Richards were right. Even though everything they did was wrong.
Secret Invasion - Skrulls, Skrulls, Skrulls!
Dark Reign - Norman Osborn and his Cabal (Lady Loki, Doctor Doom, Emma Frost, and Namor) rule the MU.
Annihilation and Annihilation Conquest - Annihulus threatens all of space with his Swarm. Ultron does the same with the Phalanx. Call the GOTG, Silver Surfer, Super Skrull and Nova Corps!
War of Kings - The Inhumans, Captain Mar-Vell, The GOTG and the mutants from X-Factor in a cosmic epic.
Siege - The Cabal strikes Asgard with the Sentry.
Messiah Complex, Messiah War and Second Coming - "Hope" Summers' journey across X-Men, X-Force, to the future and the present.
Avengers vs X-Men - Something about movie rights and wanting the Avengers to look better than the X-Men.
Age of Ultron - Avengers abuse time travel to the point the universe breaks.
Original Sin - Nick Fury kills the Watcher and Thor becomes unworthy.
Axis - Dr. Doom and Wanda cast a spell that inverts the morality of the MU's heroes and villains.
Spider-Verse - Crossover of several Spider characters from across time and the multiverse.
Secret Wars (2015) - Secret Wars: Take 3 and action!
Death of X and Inhumans vs X-Men - Something about movie rights and the Inhumans supplanting the X-Men.
Civil War II - Electric Bugaloo. This time Tony Stark and Bruce Banner "die" and Carol is the hero, while being the villain.
Secret Empire - Captain America has been a Nazi all along.
War of the Realms - Thor and the characters of the MU must defend the Ten Realms (yes, I know there are only nine), from Malekith and the Dark Elves.
Civil War - Superhero Registration - Tony Stark and Reed Richards were right. Even though everything they did was wrong.
Secret Invasion - Skrulls, Skrulls, Skrulls!
Dark Reign - Norman Osborn and his Cabal (Lady Loki, Doctor Doom, Emma Frost, and Namor) rule the MU.
Annihilation and Annihilation Conquest - Annihulus threatens all of space with his Swarm. Ultron does the same with the Phalanx. Call the GOTG, Silver Surfer, Super Skrull and Nova Corps!
War of Kings - The Inhumans, Captain Mar-Vell, The GOTG and the mutants from X-Factor in a cosmic epic.
Siege - The Cabal strikes Asgard with the Sentry.
Messiah Complex, Messiah War and Second Coming - "Hope" Summers' journey across X-Men, X-Force, to the future and the present.
Avengers vs X-Men - Something about movie rights and wanting the Avengers to look better than the X-Men.
Age of Ultron - Avengers abuse time travel to the point the universe breaks.
Original Sin - Nick Fury kills the Watcher and Thor becomes unworthy.
Axis - Dr. Doom and Wanda cast a spell that inverts the morality of the MU's heroes and villains.
Spider-Verse - Crossover of several Spider characters from across time and the multiverse.
Secret Wars (2015) - Secret Wars: Take 3 and action!
Death of X and Inhumans vs X-Men - Something about movie rights and the Inhumans supplanting the X-Men.
Civil War II - Electric Bugaloo. This time Tony Stark and Bruce Banner "die" and Carol is the hero, while being the villain.
Secret Empire - Captain America has been a Nazi all along.
War of the Realms - Thor and the characters of the MU must defend the Ten Realms (yes, I know there are only nine), from Malekith and the Dark Elves.
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Really looking forward to the episode tonight.
Yep. That is why I am looking forward to the episode.
It appears that we will see a timeline where Barry and Thawn have switched places. Barry has become Reverse Flash and Thawn has become The Flash. Should be great to see what happens.
Reverse Flashpoint huh? I’m surprised that hasn’t been a comic story yet. 
It was pretty good but the guest stars are just so random. Certainly feels like because of Covid they had only a few options and just went with them. I did like Darhk though. He was always the best part in Legends so it’s no surprise he stole the show here.
That love story was rather weird. To focus that much time on it on a timeline that soon will be erased. I get they are in love in the prime timeline but you could have easily done it there. I would have used that time to showcase more of the differences.
Who was this Lady in Red this impostor Batwoman was talking about? I don’t watch that show.
It was pretty good but the guest stars are just so random. Certainly feels like because of Covid they had only a few options and just went with them. I did like Darhk though. He was always the best part in Legends so it’s no surprise he stole the show here.
That love story was rather weird. To focus that much time on it on a timeline that soon will be erased. I get they are in love in the prime timeline but you could have easily done it there. I would have used that time to showcase more of the differences.
Who was this Lady in Red this impostor Batwoman was talking about? I don’t watch that show.
There were many things I loved about this episode, but to get the negative out of the way, everything having to do with Love and the Alex/Allegra/Chester subplot felt way way too CW for my tastes. It kind of detracted from the urgency of this event and while I don't watch Supergirl anymore, what is Alex doing asking questions, especially with the 10 year gap. Is that really how you use Alex in this episode, as Matchmaker? It seemed like Leigh could have been used better (Or maybe they could have tried to get Benoist as a part of this arc).
Besides that, everything else about this episode was highly enjoyable. I loved this plan from Thawne, and it actually gave me Back to the Future vibes. Cavanagh always chews up the scenery and it was no different here. However, what really surprised me was Damian Darhk. I don't watch Legends, so the last time I saw this guy was Arrow Season 4 and let's just say that was not a fun time. Who knew Damian had that fun of personality, and they gave the Nora backstory it's nice due to get people like me up to speed. Maybe I should watch Legends and learn more about this new, more fun, Damian. I had fun watching him and Barry in those scenes together.
I really wish we would have seen Joe's face at the end, or maybe even a 24 style split screen. It could have packed even more of a punch than what we got.
Looking forward to how this ends, and with Reverse Flash as the main villain next week, my expectations are pretty high.
Besides that, everything else about this episode was highly enjoyable. I loved this plan from Thawne, and it actually gave me Back to the Future vibes. Cavanagh always chews up the scenery and it was no different here. However, what really surprised me was Damian Darhk. I don't watch Legends, so the last time I saw this guy was Arrow Season 4 and let's just say that was not a fun time. Who knew Damian had that fun of personality, and they gave the Nora backstory it's nice due to get people like me up to speed. Maybe I should watch Legends and learn more about this new, more fun, Damian. I had fun watching him and Barry in those scenes together.
I really wish we would have seen Joe's face at the end, or maybe even a 24 style split screen. It could have packed even more of a punch than what we got.
Looking forward to how this ends, and with Reverse Flash as the main villain next week, my expectations are pretty high.
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Mixed reactions. The time-travel stuff did not make any sense at all. If Thawne changed the timeline by getting himself struck by lightning in 2013 and killing Barry as a child, why did he also need to change it by killing Joe and sabotaging STAR Labs in 2021? And why weren't any of those earlier changes reflected in the 2021 timelne? That's utterly incoherent. Also, since when did the Flash running around the world cause global cataclysms? Didn't he and Supergirl both run around the world at superspeed at the climax of Elseworlds, without any kind of global devastation? Not to mention that Mach 20 seems pretty slow for creating a time vortex.
On the plus side, I loved how they used Damien Darhk. It made sense that he'd still be villainous (and alive) in this timeline, but he was still true to his previous characterization, with his love for Nora being the thing that redeems him.
Mixed feelings about the ensemble, too. It was good to finally see more than one guest star in the episode and have some real team interaction, but the amount of character progress seemed more consistent with one or two years than a whole decade. I'd been looking forward to seeing Ryan Choi again, but I didn't like his altered characterization, no longer a family man in this timeline. And while we finally got to see him in a very authentic Atom suit, I'm pretty sure it was just a repaint of a Flash suit, with the same distinctive construction and texture to the cowl. Plus I was hoping we'd get to see the official handoff of the Atom mantle from Ray to Ryan. Still hoping that happens next week in the real timeline, but I'm not betting on it.
Maybe Jesse L. Martin wasn't available due to some other project, or maybe they only signed him to appear in a certain number of episodes this season to save money. That might be why they wrote the storyline around his absence in the first place.
On the plus side, I loved how they used Damien Darhk. It made sense that he'd still be villainous (and alive) in this timeline, but he was still true to his previous characterization, with his love for Nora being the thing that redeems him.
Mixed feelings about the ensemble, too. It was good to finally see more than one guest star in the episode and have some real team interaction, but the amount of character progress seemed more consistent with one or two years than a whole decade. I'd been looking forward to seeing Ryan Choi again, but I didn't like his altered characterization, no longer a family man in this timeline. And while we finally got to see him in a very authentic Atom suit, I'm pretty sure it was just a repaint of a Flash suit, with the same distinctive construction and texture to the cowl. Plus I was hoping we'd get to see the official handoff of the Atom mantle from Ray to Ryan. Still hoping that happens next week in the real timeline, but I'm not betting on it.
Maybe Jesse L. Martin wasn't available due to some other project, or maybe they only signed him to appear in a certain number of episodes this season to save money. That might be why they wrote the storyline around his absence in the first place.
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