News The Falcon and the Winter Soldier Updates
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^ Okay, maybe Jemma Simmons-Fitz can reverse-engineer Erskine's formula with a sample of Bucky's blood.
It actually could be neat if Sam's quest for super-strength were the main arc of the first season, with him and Bucky hunting down various alternatives...
Hmm....while that's an interesting idea, part of Bucky's guilt (in Civil War) centered not only on his actions while brainwashed, but due to his participation with shaping the other super soldiers. I would think he--of all people--would want that research buried once and for all, as it was usually used for anything other than good intentions.
Didn't the serum enhance your strength but also your personality?
That would be a twist I haven't seen before.
It's effects seem to vary somewhat, which is part of why it never becomes a mass production thing. Some version of the serum produced: Captain America, Red Skull, Winter Soldier, the Hulk (and through him Abomination and the Leader)... I feel like I'm forgetting someone, but probably not. The lesson of the Captain America origin story (and of the Hulk origin story) is that who you inject is just as important as the specific makeup of your serum. Cap was the perfect candidate, Banner was a good man but very much not the perfect candidate. Bucky's serum doesn't seem to have changed him as much, and he also doesn't seem quite on Cap's strength level without the bionic arm, so maybe his was a bit weaker.
I was thinking, these streaming series would be a perfect opportunity to finally blend the movie and TV series characters. I doubt we'd see any of the Netflix characters pop up, but The Falcon and The Winter Soldier seems to me like the perfect opportunity to finally have the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. characters interact more characters from the movies, especially if they are going to have AoS on Disney+.
We don't know if that's going to be the case, do we?
I'm pretty sure that at this moment in time, we still are in the dark as to exactly how many and which specific Marvel shows will be available on that service. (I mean old shows, obviously, not the brand new ones they're doing specifically for Disney+.)
Are you saying Sam is less of an inherently good person than pre-serum Steve was? Because he seems like a pretty first-rate dude to moi...
As reruns/old content, sure. But given that Feige is overseeing the Disney+ shows, but has had little to nothing to do with AoS, not to mention its dwindling ratings, ignoring the Snap, etc., I would be shocked if the service produced new AoS seasons.
Far be it for me to speak for someone else, but I thought he was saying the opposite. IE, Sam gets the shield instead of Bucky because Sam *is* like pre-serum Steve, while Bucky isn't so much (whether because he just isn't or because of the weight of his past).
^ Ah, I guess that makes sense. Sure, pre-serum Steve had the heart of a lion and all, but without the super-strength, he'd have kept getting beat up by even everyday neighborhood thugs.
My take on Bucky at the end of Endgame wasn't that he wasn't deserving of the Captain America mantle, necessarily, so much as he didn't want it. If nothing else, his past deeds, brainwashed and unwilling as they were, would always overshadow his attempt to preserve and extend Steve's legacy, whereas Sam can both take up the title and make it his own without any baggage. Bucky sees this, and is entirely at peace with Steve's choice, as evidenced by his friendly nod to Sam when Sam looks to him.
My take on Bucky at the end of Endgame wasn't that he wasn't deserving of the Captain America mantle, necessarily, so much as he didn't want it. If nothing else, his past deeds, brainwashed and unwilling as they were, would always overshadow his attempt to preserve and extend Steve's legacy, whereas Sam can both take up the title and make it his own without any baggage. Bucky sees this, and is entirely at peace with Steve's choice, as evidenced by his friendly nod to Sam when Sam looks to him.
Nice
Though seemingly resolved, I still think this opens up the door for a deep dive into character-rich scenes between the two--from their own new relationship, to coping with Steve's choice from Endgame. Good opportunities in that.
Bucky didn't want to fight anymore. He was happy being "retired" in Wakanda and only came out of it due to an alien invasion. Rest of the time he's fine just sitting back and going all hippy. Steve knew this and gave his shield to someone he knew was fine keeping up the fight.
I would agree with this. Which is doubly interesting, because of the way it collapses Bucky's time as Cap in the comics, basically carrying through the same arc without ever picking up the shield. Bucky only became Captain America in the comics (Steve was believed dead at the time) because he refused to allow anybody else to carry the shield. He eventually came to find that found purpose in it and belief in himself and his mission, only to have his identity publicly revealed along with his history as the Winter Soldier, by Baron Zemo in a plot that almost certainly inspired the Zemo story in Captain America: Civil War. With the weight of everything he'd done while brainwashed hanging over him, he realized that it would always overshadow Steve's legacy (though Steve was back by that point) and the meaning of Captain America. He then "died" in a final battle as Cap in the truly awful Fear Itself event, before resuming the Winter Soldier identity to set right some of the things he'd done as a Soviet weapon.
In the MCU, we've skipped the time as Cap, and jumped more or less to the end of Ed Brubaker's story for Bucky, but in a way that still has resonance and weight.
I wouldn't expect the Disney+ to produce new season of AoS, and never meant to imply that they would.
^ Okay, maybe Jemma Simmons-Fitz can reverse-engineer Erskine's formula with a sample of Bucky's blood.
It actually could be neat if Sam's quest for super-strength were the main arc of the first season, with him and Bucky hunting down various alternatives...
Yeah, Sam is definitely going to need a boost if he's going to be the next Cap. I don't see how he (Sam) can throw a 10+ pound disc very far nor with any precision without some version of the super soldier serum. That being said, even with a weaker serum, between the shield, Falcon suit, and Sam's already world class skills, he's going to be a major bad@ss.
Ultimately, I believe Sam will succeed as a non-superpowered character. The very reason elderly Steve gave Sam the shield leans in the direction of why Erskine selected Steve for the program that would turn him into Cap--its what's in his heart, not his veins--which makes him the perfect candidate to step into the Cap role.
I'm almost certain we will see episodes where Sam is not only showing a lack of confidence (not living up to what he believed Steve was) and I hope scenes of random people doubting him (for a number of their wrongheaded reasons). f the series takes that direction, its an emotional problem that should end in some predictable "moment" where he proves himself. His growth/confidence should be a gradual process while dealing with the negative views of others.