The episode where the Enterprise gets taken over by Ferengi

[Gowron]

So we are to believe that the Federation Flagship and a Galaxy Class Starship would allow themselves to be taken over by 2 Klingon Birds of Prey?

This was a joke of a "battle" and is honestly disgusting and insulting. This brings something up that I have noticed in several episodes. Yes the Enterprise is not a warship, but it is fully capable of defending itself.

Seems to me like Picard and Riker have no problem just sitting there and allowing their ship to be pummeled without returning fire.

Obviously the writers needed to allow the ship to be taken over for sake of the plot and the episode but cmon. This was just ridiculous.
Make it more believable. Why wouldnt they launch weapons at their attackers?

 

[Sindatur]

The Ferengi got ahold of two Klingon Birds of Prey and took over the Enterprise? I don't recall this episode of TNG? I think the bigger question is how did Ferengi overtake two Klingon Birds of Prey

 

[Knight Templar]

The writer of the episode said they had a group of Ferengi in two old Klingon ships seize the Enterprise because they had to make the opponent someone that the "kids" could believably retake the ship from.

IIRC she said, "No one would believe the kids could retake the Enterprise from the Cardassians".

 

[BillJ]

I take it we're talking about Rascals? What an abomination of an episode. They should've killed it in the story stage if what we got on screen was the best they could come up with.

 

[Gowron]

I take it we're talking about Rascals? What an abomination of an episode. They should've killed it in the story stage if what we got on screen was the best they could come up with.

Totally. An absolutely epic disgrace.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

I dunno.
I LOVE "He's my number 1 dad!" and the look Riker gives as he embraces young Picard.

 

[Mojochi]

The Ferengi got ahold of two Klingon Birds of Prey and took over the Enterprise? I don't recall this episode of TNG? I think the bigger question is how did Ferengi overtake two Klingon Birds of Prey

They bought them

It is certainly not an episode to be taken seriously, by the mere fact that Picard reverting in age would have killed him, because he has an artificial heart made for an adult

Once you get past that, the whole Ferengi manned pair of Klingon birds of prey surprise attaking the Ent-D into submission is almost believable

 

[Tosk]

Yeah, the trouble with Rascals is that by giving the kids an enemy they could conceivably stand a chance with, the entire crew of the Enterprise had to practically be in a coma just to get them into that position in the first place.

 

[WillsBabe]

Rascals has its problems, true. But if you watch it with one eye closed it's a hoot. And there is the scene with Keiko and O'Brien that's thought-provoking in a very Trek manner. It's largely daft but I like it.

 

[Timo]

So we are to believe that the Federation Flagship and a Galaxy Class Starship would allow themselves to be taken over by 2 Klingon Birds of Prey?

Now, this part of the premise is not faulty. The ships that attacked our heroes were of the biggest and baddest capital ship design of the menacing Klingon Empire - even if they were a generation out of date. These same vessels successfully fought two Starfleet capital ships in "Yesterday's Enterprise" (the footage in "Rascals" comes directly from that episode!). Certainly it is only logical to assume that the Klingons would have ships capable of going toe to toe with Starfleet's best - and that two of these would stand a good chance against just one of Starfleet's.

It's just unfortunate that both of these episodes chose to portray the Klingon behemoths with the same model previously used for much smaller ships...

...And that every other objection you made to "Rascals" is dead on.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[The_Baroness]

The worst thing about the entire episode is that kid who plays young Picard. He's hugely irritating, a terrible actor and comes across as a massive douche.

 

[47]

True. The girls were much more believable. Although seeing Jean-Luc's tantrum is precious!

 

[You_Will_Fail]

I liked Rascals despite that.

 

[Dr. Crusher]

I am really not a fan of this episode, and I think it's because the writers tried to fit together two less-than-believable plots. This may have been an episode that looked much better on paper than it did when it was actually produced.

 

[Tosk]

The worst thing about the entire episode is that kid who plays young Picard. He's hugely irritating, a terrible actor and comes across as a massive douche.

Agreed. If they'd cast for a good young Picard instead of the nudge-wink approach of using 'René Picard' again, it'd have been better.

 

[Mojochi]

The worst thing about the entire episode is that kid who plays young Picard. He's hugely irritating, a terrible actor and comes across as a massive douche.

Agreed. If they'd cast for a good young Picard instead of the nudge-wink approach of using 'René Picard' again, it'd have been better.

Holy crap! I hadn't even noticed that. You should have saved that one for the quiz

 

[Knight Templar]

This episode is one of what I called "stupid plots" in science fiction.

Plots that while they might have a scientifid basis and might be explainable are still basically stupid looking once they are filmed.

1) Turning crew members into kids (or turning them into old people).

2) Sex changes for some or all the crew.

3) Anything that involves the crew or ship shrinking or being enlarged.

 

[Gowron]

So we are to believe that the Federation Flagship and a Galaxy Class Starship would allow themselves to be taken over by 2 Klingon Birds of Prey?

Now, this part of the premise is not faulty. The ships that attacked our heroes were of the biggest and baddest capital ship design of the menacing Klingon Empire - even if they were a generation out of date. These same vessels successfully fought two Starfleet capital ships in "Yesterday's Enterprise" (the footage in "Rascals" comes directly from that episode!). Certainly it is only logical to assume that the Klingons would have ships capable of going toe to toe with Starfleet's best - and that two of these would stand a good chance against just one of Starfleet's.

It's just unfortunate that both of these episodes chose to portray the Klingon behemoths with the same model previously used for much smaller ships...

...And that every other objection you made to "Rascals" is dead on.

Timo Saloniemi

In Yesterdays Enterprise they are referred to as "Covort Class Battle Cruisers"

In this episode they are referred to as "B'rel Class Birds of Prey"

No bird of prey is any match for a galaxy class starship, does not matter what generation.

 

[Timo]

Oh, I dunno. John Varley has this famous hobby-horse of his about sex change as an important social experience and rite of passage, and his books ain't half bad. Star Trek would never dare be that open to ideas, though...

And growing old is always dramatic, as long as there's no reset button.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Timo]

In Yesterdays Enterprise they are referred to as "Covort Class Battle Cruisers"
In this episode they are referred to as "B'rel Class Birds of Prey"

Yup. Two different universes, two different names.

It appears these two names are used in both universes, with one referring to small BoPs and the other to large ones. It's just that the universes are mirror images of each other in this respect: DS9 specifies the K'Vort as the smaller ship, in some graphics depicting General Martok's vessel.

The size of the ships seen in "Yesterday's Enterprise" and "Rascals" is not in doubt, though, as both sets of footage show the vessels in various positions around the hero ship and establish their large size.

No bird of prey is any match for a galaxy class starship, does not matter what generation.

There is no basis for such a claim. Of course Klingons are going to build ships that are a match for Starfleet's best - why wouldn't they?

Timo Saloniemi