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The End of X2: WTF?
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Yep, her powers were messing up the Blackbird's electronics. They couldn't take off if she was even too close to the jet, so she had to be away from it to push back the water and to allow the jet to leave. Tethering her to the plane would've just made it malfunction and crash into the water.
Can someone please explain why Jean had to commit suicide in order to save everyone? If she had to be outside of the X-Jet to use her powers on both the wave and the jet, why couldn't she tether herself to the X-Jet?
What, did they run out of X-cable on their last campout?
Oh yeah, if someone had to die, why not kill Cyclops. They murdered his character anyway, and why wait an entire film to do it? Then again, that would have ended the film on a positive note.
well she didn't really die. nothing on the ship was functioning and there was no time to make a makeshift teather... >_>
as i'd like to think of it, she had to be outside as she didn't know what "unleashing her power" would do to the jet or the people in it so she wanted to be at a safe distance. if you think you could go nova would you really stay inside with the people you are trying to save? better question would be, "why didn't she just float above it all?" i think that should be the question most asked. it's probably because of the oncentration required to do all that. remember she still hadn't fully let "the beast out" so to speak so she was trying hard to tap into that power yet at the same time keep it at bay as to not consume her. if you're concentrated on saving people, you'll probably think more of their safety before yours hence she was able to do what she did with the jet and the water. though at the end i think she felt that whatever was within her was ready to bust out so se resigned herself to being dead knowing how bad it was to let that out. however, since she had already unleashed what was locked away, she became virtually unkillable at that point. this is why x3 made no sense. if anyone would have been able to take her down it should have been rogue or storm. wolvercrap was chosen only cause of the popularity of the damned character. even then it could have only been done by jean herself and wolvercrap was only a tool for it to be done. she had to have willed herself to die. logically it doesn't really make much sense still as she could easily regenerate whatever is damaged. if there was one thing i could change in that movie, it would be that part. instead of wolvercrap killing her, it would have been jean pulling him over so that she could use him to kill herself as she did in the original story where she used a tool to kill herself.
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Commodore
It's even dumber than not having a TK tether or any rope onboard.
The chick was holding back a reservoir and lifting a multi-ton stealth jet simultaneously. Yet once she got the jet up and on its own, she couldn't muster the power to lift her ~150 pound frame before the waters reached her? What the hell, man.
As others have said, it was a dumb sacrifice for the sake of working a sacrifice in. They should have just let the jet work on its own while she held the waters off.
The chick was holding back a reservoir and lifting a multi-ton stealth jet simultaneously. Yet once she got the jet up and on its own, she couldn't muster the power to lift her ~150 pound frame before the waters reached her? What the hell, man.
As others have said, it was a dumb sacrifice for the sake of working a sacrifice in. They should have just let the jet work on its own while she held the waters off.
In the comics Jean died while saving the X-Men who were aboard a doomed aircraft.
In the movie Jean died while saving the X-Men who were aboard a doomed aircraft.
The details between the two varied of course but Singer was trying to preserve the source material. So how was that a dumb sacrifice?
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Commodore
Yes, and holding back the flood would have been enough to "save the X-Men who were aboard a doomed aircraft." She didn't have to do that and lift it out; she could have stopped the waters to buy them enough time to get onboard and powered up. It's the fact that she could do both of those things, but then simply give up and let the waters rush over her rather than telekinetically lift herself up a few dozen feet that makes the whole thing ridiculous. If she was using all her power to hold back the waters, the sacrifice would have at least made some amount of sense.
Can someone please explain why Jean had to commit suicide in order to save everyone? If she had to be outside of the X-Jet to use her powers on both the wave and the jet, why couldn't she tether herself to the X-Jet?
What, did they run out of X-cable on their last campout?
Oh yeah, if someone had to die, why not kill Cyclops. They murdered his character anyway, and why wait an entire film to do it? Then again, that would have ended the film on a positive note.
well she didn't really die. nothing on the ship was functioning and there was no time to make a makeshift teather... >_>
as i'd like to think of it, she had to be outside as she didn't know what "unleashing her power" would do to the jet or the people in it so she wanted to be at a safe distance. if you think you could go nova would you really stay inside with the people you are trying to save? better question would be, "why didn't she just float above it all?" i think that should be the question most asked. it's probably because of the oncentration required to do all that. remember she still hadn't fully let "the beast out" so to speak so she was trying hard to tap into that power yet at the same time keep it at bay as to not consume her. if you're concentrated on saving people, you'll probably think more of their safety before yours hence she was able to do what she did with the jet and the water. though at the end i think she felt that whatever was within her was ready to bust out so se resigned herself to being dead knowing how bad it was to let that out. however, since she had already unleashed what was locked away, she became virtually unkillable at that point. this is why x3 made no sense. if anyone would have been able to take her down it should have been rogue or storm. wolvercrap was chosen only cause of the popularity of the damned character. even then it could have only been done by jean herself and wolvercrap was only a tool for it to be done. she had to have willed herself to die. logically it doesn't really make much sense still as she could easily regenerate whatever is damaged. if there was one thing i could change in that movie, it would be that part. instead of wolvercrap killing her, it would have been jean pulling him over so that she could use him to kill herself as she did in the original story where she used a tool to kill herself.
Long string of words makes Trekker ANGRY!!!
I mean, how the hell can you do the Dark Phoenix story and never ONCE show a fire bird effect?!
Singer already showed it at the end of X2, so it's not his fault Ratner completely ignored in X3.
Um. I know. Where did I say anything about it being Singer's fault? I have been criticizing Ratner's movie here.
darkwing_duck1
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Except that it had been already established that THIS Jean couldn't levitate/fly herself in any event.
And even if she could levitate/fly, she was rapidly losing control of her increasingly godlike powers. When that happens, your only choices are supervillain, supersuicide, or abandon your humanity and all that entails. Which did she choose? X2 was pleasantly ambiguous.
You keep talking about ways in which Jean could have survived. Jean had to die in order to complete her evolution into Dark Phoenix. How she died is immaterial, though it's nice that Singer tried to honor the spirit of the original comic. Jean let herself be killed in the movie just as she did in the original telling. What she could have done to save herself is meaningless... she was destined to die no matter how the events with the flood transpired, and she knew it.
Not that I ever thought I'd defend X3...but lord knows, Wolverine has put me in a very generous mood towards it...but they were playing on a supposed love between Wolverine and Jean. He was the only one who could approach her because her love for him wouldn't allow her to go full Phoenix on him, and she could trust that he would do what needs to be done, and then of course his healing ability...magically ramped up for this scene...made him uniquely able to bear the brunt of whatever she did throw at him. They should have just all clothed themselves in whatever material Wolverine's Magic Pants were made of.
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I don't know why you have some weird mental block on this, but the complaint has everything to do with how she died, because it was stupid. Especially since it could have been made more plausible and believable if they had simply not had her telekinetically lift the jet, but instead bought the team more time by using all of her strength to hold back the waters. It's the fact that she could hold back a force of nature and lift a jet, but couldn't hold back a force of nature and lift a hundred pounds of weight that causes the issues.
The argument has nothing to do with wanting Jean to survive; neither here or anywhere else in the thread. Quit reading what you want to read just so you can argue mindlessly.
You're not looking at this from a character-driven perspective, you're only arguing Jean's actions. You say if Jean had held back the waters it would have bought the team more time. More time for what, exactly? They wouldn't have left her. Never. They would have tried everything in their power to save her. So yes, the potential for her survival is very much a legitimate part of this thread since the X-Men would have allowed nothing less. Jean knew that. So she forced them to leave her. She lifted the jet, made sure its engines were running, then let the floodwaters sweep her away. Maybe indeed it was stupid; suicide is rarely logical but it accomplished what she had to do.
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I always assumed that she used up all her strength lifting the jet. When the she released the jet, she didn't have any strength left. Imagine if she was lifting weights, and her lifting the jet was one last repetition before her muscles gave out. At that point, she probably didn't have the strength or the mental control to do anything else.
What about Bobby freezing the water?
At least Jean understood to never go full retard.
Well said, Forbin.
