Damn, I never thought of that
Spoilers Strange New Worlds Episode 7 - Those Old Scientists
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Damn, I never thought of that
I adopt a mental rule of Doctor Who when dealing with, "With all the time travel going on, little details are always changing. Previously, Kirk only met Pike once but due to the Temporal Cold War, now they have a slightly deeper association."
Except that Kirk never said that he'd met Pike only once.
Calling it a reasonable inference that there's an implication of a single meeting there does not make it any more or less a "fact" than drawing the opposite inference - that they knew each other well - from Kirk addressing him as "Chris" later in the same story.
Calling it a reasonable inference that there's an implication of a single meeting there does not make it any more or less a "fact" than drawing the opposite inference - that they knew each other well - from Kirk addressing him as "Chris" later in the same story.
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Or he just doesn't want to get into the details at the moment.
I know when I'm in the medical ward of some building I'm more nervous about what I'm about to see than going into a detailed A&E Biography about the person in question.
I prefer the attitude of one of Doctor Who's most esteemed writers/producers. "Continuity is only whatever I can remember."
We have no reason to think it was once.
We have no reason not to think it wasn't.
The thing is the issue is that it is just a mental tool for preserving suspension of disbelief and acknowledging that Trek canon is a living growing thing even in-universe.
Well, of course..it's called gaining information.
And yet, choosing to think that requires all those "Doctor Who" rationalizations, for no good reason. Pretty silly.
I feel that answer would hold water if not for the fact that all of Earth's history was canonically moved decades forward.
TNG did that.
Yeah but it's now an in-universe thing that time has been messed with.
When hasn't time been messed with in Star Trek?
My general point is that James T. Kirk says what he does in a way that suggests he only knew Pike very casually. SNW shows him hanging around the ship, developing a professional relationship, and probably continuing to do so throughout the series. Which is something very weird to describe, "Yeah, I met him at his promotion to Fleet Captain."
Its technically true but very much against the spirit of what was implied.
SNW Kirk would probably says, "Yeah, I knew him when I was still captain of the Farragut. My brother used to serve on the Enterprise when he was captain."
Not really. He immediately tried to talk to him on a first name basis. He doesn't call him "sir." He doesn't call him "Captain." He immediately calls him "Chris." To me, that indicates they had some kind of past friendly relationship. Certainly more than just Pike tossing him the keys and walking away.
SNW Kirk was only captain of the Farragut in an aborted timeline in which Pike doesn't leave the Enterprise. At present he's first officer.
There are probably a litany of things Kirk could say in response to that question. Including just saying “yes”.