Starship design history in light of Discovery
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Is the XL TOS Enterprise about the same scale as the Discovery Enterprise?
Comparing the two of those might work.
(nope it won't ... the XL-TOS is 11", the XL-DSC Enterprise is 10" and the REG DSC is 8.5")
OH..., And I just looked it up.
Not really sure I want to spend $80 dollars on any of them.
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have you met fans?
TMP is a reboot. Just sayin'
Well, practically and for the benefit of the 1979 movie audience, yes. In-universe, no.
It doesn't work 'fine'. Making the smaller size to work requires utterly bizarre assumptions like pretending that the decks are way lower than we obviously see, or that the saucer rim windows not actually being on two different decks, but one large deck inexplicably having two rows of windows. And of course TMP rec deck will never fit in 300m size as depicted, nor will the torpedo room.
Now, game mechanics are not an indication of what actually happened on screen, but the S31 ship in STO doesn't cloak, it just has a dark mode that just hides it from sensors, it does have the same hull shimmering effect that we saw in it's first appearance as it was flying into camera view. It's possible it doesn't cloak at all in the show either.
that was the impression i got from the show, that it was more active camo than actually cloaking.Now, game mechanics are not an indication of what actually happened on screen, but the S31 ship in STO doesn't cloak, it just has a dark mode that just hides it from sensors, it does have the same hull shimmering effect that we saw in it's first appearance as it was flying into camera view. It's possible it doesn't cloak at all in the show either.
Oh by cloak I just meant turning invisible in general.
Here's the shot from the show again.
https://gfycat.com/variablewaterloggedbarnswallow
I don't think it was invisible at all, I'm guessing it was just some sort of sensor screen.
Here's the shot from the show again.
https://gfycat.com/variablewaterloggedbarnswallow
I don't think it was invisible at all, I'm guessing it was just some sort of sensor screen.
Can't wait for Eaglemoss to do a model of this one. Interesting take on the engines. Everything else looks pretty faithful, despite the K'tinga-esque surface details. Hell, anything is better than those season one things so this is definitely a satisfying improvement, IMO.
I don’t think we’ve seen many close up images of any of the ships until Polar Lights or Eaglemoss put out models for them. For that matter, same went for the Abramsverse movies. Aside from the Kelvin and Franklin, we still don’t have really good pictures of the secondary ships outside of some fan-made efforts. The lack of official reference material is quite substantial.
I wish they took a similar stance that the Yamato 2199/2202 show runners did. They know there is a large subset of fans who are into the ships and mechanics and provided the pics accordingly in the form of massive art books. American productions never seemed to take that interest as seriously, despite spending lots of time and money creating all the ships as a part of the world-building.
I wish they took a similar stance that the Yamato 2199/2202 show runners did. They know there is a large subset of fans who are into the ships and mechanics and provided the pics accordingly in the form of massive art books. American productions never seemed to take that interest as seriously, despite spending lots of time and money creating all the ships as a part of the world-building.
...Can't wait to see the other S31 ships up close, even if only as online pics of those gorgeous models I'll never buy.
It was a cool family of designs, down to the big torpedo and the barely glimpsed shuttlecraft. I doubt we'll see more of any of those later on: DSC seems to have difficulty reusing already existing designs, and I doubt the putative S31 spinoff will do better if it ever materializes. The "primary" ship above might be the one at the focus of that show, or then not. (I'd expect DSC to keep the set and reuse it for its own purposes anyway.)
In any case, kudos for the designing. Or conversion of "regular" sketches into these wedge things, as it may be. Perhaps that's what happened in-universe, too, with S31 bolting their own stuff to generic starship keels?
Timo Saloniemi
It was a cool family of designs, down to the big torpedo and the barely glimpsed shuttlecraft. I doubt we'll see more of any of those later on: DSC seems to have difficulty reusing already existing designs, and I doubt the putative S31 spinoff will do better if it ever materializes. The "primary" ship above might be the one at the focus of that show, or then not. (I'd expect DSC to keep the set and reuse it for its own purposes anyway.)
In any case, kudos for the designing. Or conversion of "regular" sketches into these wedge things, as it may be. Perhaps that's what happened in-universe, too, with S31 bolting their own stuff to generic starship keels?
Timo Saloniemi
Yes. When I watched it first I thought it was de-cloaking. But it's quite obvious it was never actually invisible, but just had a (probably sensor-camouflage) field around it.
I do wonder why they never used that in the confrontation with the Discovery/Enterprise? Could have been an interesting battle dynamic.
Concept art of the D7 hologram
I love it! Weird engines included. Really, really wish we would have gooten more beauty shots of it in the show.
Why do they fucking need to leave the 23rd century once they actually got era-appropriate ships?????
They still need to work on that square nacelle problem for the SF ships. Maybe by the time they get back they will have jumped forward just enough to see properly-designed warp engines.
...That is, the ancient ENT style of round nacelles has finally been discarded, even on those old Constitution tubs that never got around to having modern box nacelles before getting the next, that is, TMP style.
Perhaps Burnham could jump to the 2240s to witness the introduction of the box nacelle style and its refitting to some of the older vessels?
Timo Saloniemi
Perhaps Burnham could jump to the 2240s to witness the introduction of the box nacelle style and its refitting to some of the older vessels?
Timo Saloniemi