Starfleet before the Federation
- Thread starter Admiral Jean-Luc Picard
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Knew a guy who could recite Monty Python and the Holy Grail from start to finish.
I'd consider myself a Functional Hardcore Fan.
Functional in that I can turn off my Trekkiesness when I want to and can fully accept that it's just a TV show and not letting it control every aspect of my life, like some of the more..... extreme examples of the fandom.
While at the same time, I maintain an extensive library of reference materials, plus every episode and film in the highest possible quality.
I build Star Trek models in whatever precious spare time I have, while also having a sizeable collection of statues, figures, artwork, etc. All proudly displayed throughout my house.
I also named my son after my favourite starship captain and I managed to incorporate the TOS uniform colours into my wedding without too many people noticing.
Who am I kidding..... I'm just a Hardcore Fan.
Functional in that I can turn off my Trekkiesness when I want to and can fully accept that it's just a TV show and not letting it control every aspect of my life, like some of the more..... extreme examples of the fandom.
While at the same time, I maintain an extensive library of reference materials, plus every episode and film in the highest possible quality.
I build Star Trek models in whatever precious spare time I have, while also having a sizeable collection of statues, figures, artwork, etc. All proudly displayed throughout my house.
I also named my son after my favourite starship captain and I managed to incorporate the TOS uniform colours into my wedding without too many people noticing.
Who am I kidding..... I'm just a Hardcore Fan.
I have a "continuity sense" that can raise a hackle when watching. I usually ignore it.
I'm not really a fan of the NX refit. I like the NX-01 the way it is in the show. To me it's kind of like if the Enterprise-D was known for looking like the future version in "All Good Things.." Maybe if I'd seen it in the show I'd have a different opinion. It's just too TOS looking for my taste.
Agree 100%. The NX-01 is one of the most beautiful and well balanced ships in the franchise. It has a gracefulness to it that a lot of starships lack.
It loses all of that when you just tack on some extra bits in an effort to make it look more like a Constitution, imo.
I don't think there has ever been a successful example where taking an existing Starship design and adding extra bits to it has actually improved the design....
The Excelsior looks significantly better than the Enterprise-B, the All Good Things... Future Enterprise-D is a monstrosity, and tbe NX-01 Refit, as mentioned, is kinda fugly.
To me, it's a lot like a beautiful car. Some designer spent hundreds of hours balancing out a design. Giving it perfectly sweeping lines and contours to match.
Then someone takes this beautiful design and throws a bunch of crap on it. Ugly rims, an ungodly huge spoiler, a different hood and a body kit.
What was once a beautifully well thought out design, has now become a mismatch of shapes and lines.
IMO.
Yup.
Post-TOS it was mentioned via UESPA-1 in "Friendship One (VOY)" and on the Enterprise-B dedication plaque in "Generations" in addition to the above.
I used to like the NX-refit solely because it made the ship look less like the Akira class it was originally based off of. But these days I could take it or leave it. The NX class has grown on me over time (I originally hated it with a passion), but adding a secondary hull doesn't necessarily make the ship look better or worse to me. I guess I'm indifferent to it.
I actually DO like the NX refit. I wish we'd gotten the chance to actually see one in action.
And I'm also fully on board with the Akira class (which I also love, BTW) being, IN-universe- intentionally designed as a tribute to the classic NX design.
So there.
And I'm also fully on board with the Akira class (which I also love, BTW) being, IN-universe- intentionally designed as a tribute to the classic NX design.
So there.
i never liked the NX refit concept. initially, it felt like they were trying to imply that they just kept refitting her until she became the TOS Enterprise. which is very silly, of course. upon later reflection, i think they should have either put the pod in between the booms, or just fill in the gap and build structures on top or below.
i always wanted to see more of the delta ship, though.
i always wanted to see more of the delta ship, though.
It's just my head canon but I like the idea of there being more Franklin looking ships, the Freedom-class. In my mind Franklin was originally just a nothing special ship but it's just the one that got to Warp 4, whether they did something special with it like a special engine or it was just some stock engine. Like Franklin to me wasn't interesting that it had history or was special, I liked it because it was a piece of shit and the only thing that was available.
Yeah, that's a belief I also share, that the Franklin was just a fairly standard ship that they happened to use to test out an updated engine, or something to that effect. That's why we'd never heard of it before, it was just a minor footstep on the way to Warp 5 and the NX-01.
We can deduce that the class was a good design as it was used in the Romulan War and still kept around and used during the early years of the Federation. I like to think it was a real workhorse of a ship that was easily upgraded. After the formation of the Federation, it got a further upgraded engine and continued for several years as a well capable little Starship.
On another note..... you can say what you will about 22nd century Earth Starfleet, but they knew how to build tough ships. The NX-01 took an absolute beating and refused to die, while the Franklin was a beast that survived 2 crash landings and crashed through a pretty sturdy looking set of spacedoors. Maybe that's how Earth beat the Romulans, building tough as nails Starships.
Continuity stuff doesn’t much bother me, but getting actual real-life science blatantly wrong punches me in the face: VOY’s made-up idea of how nebulae form (and to a lesser extent, TWOK’s idea of them being visibility-impairing fogs with a boundary that jolts you when you enter), DISCO’s idea of what time crystals are, etc.
