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Spoilers Starbase 80 - The Space Station Time (and the Federation) Forgot
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Considering this is FASA we're talking about and some of their designs from the 80's are a bit.... Dumpy? Actually pretty fair. It works if you consider the idea that the central spine had a lot of exterior cladding that is now outright gone leaving a fairly exposed skeletal structure.Not even clos
That's not a FASA design. The Watchtower was designed in 2005 for the Vanguard novel series. And it's already been in Lower Decks (more or less).
OK.
Older tech is easier to maintain, with scarce resources, or staff untrained in 24th century tech/maintaince.
So why isn't starfleet using oh... whichever ship is shipping crew in or out to use their industrial scale replicators to fab up some fresh components, tools, or even at this point basic cleaning supplies.
The Acamerian's not doing the kind of militant mantinancing starfleet does could theoretically be explained as lack of knowledge pool, but when something as basic as transporters aren't safe for organics to use? This has gone past any reasonable explainations, well past excuses, and straight into Starfleet needing to shut the f*sk up and do their damned jobs.
Plain and simple, I don't think its even that the personnel onboard SB-80 are untrained.
Some may lack some know-how, but to be fair, they also didn't have modern tricorders (which the Cerritos crew could have probably replicated for all engineering staff) to not just analyse but also fix problems.
Gene Jakobowsky was implied to lack the know how about some stuff, but even Carol was able to perform basic maintenance with tricorder's assistance (and I don't think she's that good of an engineer).
SB-80 seemingly lacked the tools for the most part. Even modern day engineers can't just of the top of their head do repairs without ascertaining WHY something has broken down, or which part of it broke down - and 23rd century technology is LY's more advanced/complex vs what we're supposed to have - bottom line is, the more complex technology is, its likely you'll need equally sophisticated equipment to repair it - and SB-80 seemed to have lacked even THAT.
I'd like to think the Cerritos crew just replicated a whole bunch of modern Tricorders for SB-80 staff and some supplies to help upgrade some systems to a better standard... and finally pushed SF HQ to send a proper engineering detail with everything that's needed to properly fix the station and upgrade it - along with a diplomatic team to deal with the Acamerian situation too.
StarFleet needs to have a say in how they are used, the Acamerian situation was weird IMO and I agree with your solution.
Either they ship up, get trained, or get moved onto a random planet to become a colony.
The way they occupy the StarBase isn't tenable in the long term, they need to be kicked out for their lack of usefulness.
At least with the Bajorans, they train, learn, and help run DS9.
The same can't be said with these Acamerian's who are just a glorified set of thugs trying to occupy territory.
These are "Low Class" Thugs / Gangs we see IRL.
We don't need people with that kind of useless mentality who are a net drain on society.
Are we sure they really are gang affiliated or is that simply thier cultural dress? What do we know of the Acamareans anyway? Specifically the Gatherers? They may have cultural predispositions to a more nomadic lifestyle, in which case getting them off station into long duration patrol and trade caravans that use SB80 as 'home base' would probably play well into that sort of strength.
Otherwise I am in agreement. Find ways to train and make use of the manpower, or find a settlement option that gets them off of starfleet property in favor of personnel that can. Given SB80 seems to be unattached to a planet and may either be on the outskirts of a host system or otherwise inconvenient to have a paired ground facility?
I'm just trying ot figure out why that treaty would be in place. Did the Acamerians find SB80 and settle it while derelict and the federation only recently reactivated it, or...
This is a facility that has a personnel list of thousands, to say nothing of emergancy carry capacity given the enterrpse could carry thousands with a crew compliment of a few hundred normally. This is a city in space.
Wit ha severe overabundance in over-employable able bodies.
To me, it looks like anything and everything that wasn't screwed down got nicked and sold on the (off-station) blackmarket. Providing the crew with new tools, etc. may help them in the short term, but in the long term, it just provides the thieves with a new source of blackmarket goods. 
Alternatively, the station could have been left derelict/decommissioned and only recently hastily recommissioned when word got to them the Acamerian Gatherer faction had laid claim to it and they'd managed to legally regain control of enough of it to keep them away from sensitive aspects of (century old) station operation.
Either way. the key thing here is to identify personnel deficiencies, Acamerian aptitude and willingness to fill those positions, and .... Motivate the starfleet personnel there to take a f'ing sonic shower more than once a month as a literal 'step one.'
So. Shall we discuss Station Rehabilitation with the few resources Starfleet seem willing to provide?
How do we parlay 'whatever we can beg, borrow, and deal for to get this thing into a working condition?
Do we even know what sector the thing's in? Any of the regional powers? Etc.
I get that food processors/sequencers aren't avalible in public locations but how are the food vendors getting their stocks? Are there some industrial grade processors that are just inconveniently large for day to day crew use?
What do they have?
What do they need (in specific. Not 'at least one of everything, and three of most things')?
What are the knowns?
We can't realistically form a plan of action without this information.
More importantly. How does one finagle staff without coming in like some sort of 'i know better than the lot of all of you' sort?
I think you found it. Starfleet is hip-deep in the Romulan Evacuation at this point. By the time of the attack on Mars, worlds were threatening to secede over resources being diverted from them to helping resettle Romulans. Starbase 80 obviously isn’t the product of only a year or two of neglect, but this is also only a few years after the Dominion War, which was only a few years after the remilitarization after Wolf 359.
Starbase 80 might’ve just been the first place to fall off the bottom of the priority list, but it won’t be the last.
If Starbase 80 is far from Klingon, Romulan, and Cardassian space, it was likely put at the bottom of the supply list as it would be in a safe sector. If there are no exploration missions out of that sector, all it would be dealing with is local trade and piracy. And if no one is actually pirating ships nearby, well even less reason to support Starbase 80, as there is next to nothing out there.
If they do make a series out of Starbase 80, they could pull a DS9 - have it suddenly become an important way station and show everyone scrambling to make it more habitable for the sudden influx of guests and ships.
Well considering the galaxy is going to get very... VERY hectic in a few years?
That sleepy backwater might suddenly become an unofficial official trade hub for everyone who isn't on the Federation's short list in sector.
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This feels like an 'almost' match but... the dekc layouts compared to the cutout view doesn't make sense Am I missing something here or did the art person here just slap numbers without accounting for the diagram's visuals?
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This feels like an 'almost' match but... the dekc layouts compared to the cutout view doesn't make sense Am I missing something here or did the art person here just slap numbers without accounting for the diagram's visuals?
Here's my sense of the Acamarian neighbourhood...and, of course, not all known stars are included here:
For sigma Iotia...and I'm reconsidering my choice of host star. The star I initially chose strikes me as too obscure. I chose the SKYM2 number because the Gaia DR3 catalogue number is sixteen digits long, and I don't want to force people to try to remember such a thing.
My current choice for sigma Iotia is estimated at roughly 158 light-years away from Sol.
For sigma Iotia...and I'm reconsidering my choice of host star. The star I initially chose strikes me as too obscure. I chose the SKYM2 number because the Gaia DR3 catalogue number is sixteen digits long, and I don't want to force people to try to remember such a thing.
My current choice for sigma Iotia is estimated at roughly 158 light-years away from Sol.
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Well dialogue did point at there being signal lag between them and the federation so that tracks.
My question is how far from each other are they?
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