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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"

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Perhaps. But at the risk of channeling my inner curmudgeon, it does sometimes seem to me that modern audiences do seem to find recasting more egregious than back in the old days, which I see as part and parcel with the whole modern obsession with "canon" and all that. Is it just me or do modern audiences take this stuff way more literally these days, as opposed to when, say, you could recast Jane in an old Johnny Weissmuller TARZAN movie and nobody lost sleep over whether this meant that we in an "alternate timeline" or whatever. :)

And I'm not just talking Trek fandom here. I still remember being taken aback when the IRON MAN movies recast Rhodey and the internet howled in as though this had never happened in the history of Hollywood before.

Does nobody else remember Valerie Hobson replacing Mae Clarke as Dr. Frankenstein's fiancee in the original Universal FRANKENSTEIN movies, or Ilona Massey replacing Evelyn Ankers as Dr. Frankenstein's grand-daughter in the sequels?

My point being that recasting has been going on forever, but it does seem to me as though modern audiences are more allergic to it than audiences in the past.

Not sure that's an improvement.
Hmm. Certainly it is possible, but if it is so, it would be interesting to know the reason. The old material being always instantly available might be one, as you're just not comparing against some memory from years ago. Improved production design and visual 'realness' of shows and films might be another, making people take what is depicted more literally.

I'm pretty sure that my personal opinions on this have not changed, I have always found recasting jarring, especially in a story that is supposed to be one continuous narrative. Though as I said earlier, the three decades having passed in the setting too makes the Maddox recasting about as smooth as it can be with adult actors.
 
Perhaps. But at the risk of channeling my inner curmudgeon, it does sometimes seem to me that modern audiences do seem to find recasting more egregious than back in the old days, which I see as part and parcel with the whole modern obsession with "canon" and all that. Is it just me or do modern audiences take this stuff way more literally these days, as opposed to when, say, you could recast Jane in an old Johnny Weissmuller TARZAN movie and nobody lost sleep over whether this meant that we in an "alternate timeline" or whatever. :)

And I'm not just talking Trek fandom here. I still remember being taken aback when the IRON MAN movies recast Rhodey and the internet howled in as though this had never happened in the history of Hollywood before.

Does nobody else remember Valerie Hobson replacing Mae Clarke as Dr. Frankenstein's fiancee in the original Universal FRANKENSTEIN movies, or Ilona Massey replacing Evelyn Ankers as Dr. Frankenstein's grand-daughter in the sequels?

My point being that recasting has been going on forever, but it does seem to me as though modern audiences are more allergic to it than audiences in the past.

Not sure that's an improvement.

My annoyance over re-casting is 15% about the purity of continuity and 85% "Hey, here's this guy who's now working as a professor, whose acting career never really took off and, gee, wouldn't it be nice to give him a juicy guest star part in a new series, which would have the added benefit of pleasing old-school fans?"
 
Get Greg a chair to yell at. :)

I think social media helps sustain outrage and discontent. Not just because folks can create echo chambers but because there is a sense of interaction with the content makers. Social media outrage is the radioactive monster the letter writing campaigns of old turned into.

You know, you may be onto something there. Maybe it's less about taking this stuff literally than about taking it more personally than before. As though recasting a part in a popular franchise is somehow "disrespecting" the audience or whatever. Look at all the hyperbolic language you see about how some given movie or tv episode is "a slap in the face" to fans.

I was disappointed when they recast Saavik back in the day, but I don't recall taking it as a personal affront.

And, honestly, Valerie Hobson was a lot more appealing than Mae Clarke back in the thirties. :)
 
You know, you may be onto something there. Maybe it's less about taking this stuff literally than about taking it more personally than before. As though recasting a part in a popular franchise is somehow "disrespecting" the audience or whatever. Look at all the hyperbolic language you see about how some given movie or tv episode is "a slap in the face" to fans.

I was disappointed when they recast Saavik back in the day, but I don't recall taking it as a personal affront.

And, honestly, Valerie Hobson was a lot more appealing than Mae Clarke back in the thirties. :)
Like the 1930's :P
 
You know, you may be onto something there. Maybe it's less about taking this stuff literally than about taking it more personally than before. As though recasting a part in a popular franchise is somehow "disrespecting" the audience or whatever. Look at all the hyperbolic language you see about how some given movie or tv episode is "a slap in the face" to fans.
Everything changed when Lucas raped our childhoods.
 
Honestly , they shouldn't have used Maddox at all. Too much fan service and not enough story service.
No, I think it made perfect sense to use him, if the story is about the future of Soong type androids. I am actually a bit disappointed that he was killed so quickly. But then again, because they killed him so quickly the recasting matters less.
 
No, I think it made perfect sense to use him, if the story is about the future of Soong type androids. I am actually a bit disappointed that he was killed so quickly. But then again, because they killed him so quickly the recasting matters less.
Agree to disagree and all that.
 
And I'm not just talking Trek fandom here. I still remember being taken aback when the IRON MAN movies recast Rhodey and the internet howled in as though this had never happened in the history of Hollywood before.

It didn't help that Perlmutter said that all black people look the same and no one would notice a recast. Though in the end it was for the best. They shouldn't have cast this asshole who likes to beat women in the first place.
 
I was disappointed when they recast Saavik back in the day, but I don't recall taking it as a personal affront.

The re-casting of Saavik was due to the actor's choice not to return. As soon as Brophy weighs in and says, "Yeah, they asked me, but I politely declined," I will no longer be annoyed by this.
 
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I don't see a reason to be annoyed in the first place. Actors get replaced all the time. Move on.

Is that a joke? The new Maddox is 9 years younger. If anything, he was too old.

His relationship with Jurati would have been creepy in any event.
 
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