Star Trek New Voyages DVDs

[saint-antoine]

Hi,

I am looking for good quality DVDs of the Star Trek New Voyages episodes "To Serve All My Days" and "World Enough And Time"... complete and assembled... I am also interested in episodes of Starship Exeter and Starship Farragut episodes on DVDs... I don't really know how to download... assemble and burn DVDs...

Can anyone help me ?

thanks

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

No fan production is allowed to sell DVDs (they aren't licensed to do it - it would mean they'd be making profit, and they can't do that).

They might offer free downloads of things like DVD cover art, and the programming itself, but you will have to provide your own DVDs for burning.

 

[alchemist]

No fan production is allowed to sell DVDs (they aren't licensed to do it - it would mean they'd be making profit, and they can't do that).

They might offer free downloads of things like DVD cover art, and the programming itself, but you will have to provide your own DVDs for burning.

I don't understand how making and selling DVDs, for cost, would be making a profit. That is, if one burns a DVD and sells it for exactly what it cost to make it, where is the "profit?"

 

[doubleohfive]

The profit is going to the company that makes blank DVDs, or the company that makes the toner in your printer. On its own? They're profiting off of a product they wouldn't otherwise. That's the problem.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

No fan production is allowed to sell DVDs (they aren't licensed to do it - it would mean they'd be making profit, and they can't do that).

They might offer free downloads of things like DVD cover art, and the programming itself, but you will have to provide your own DVDs for burning.

I don't understand how making and selling DVDs, for cost, would be making a profit. That is, if one burns a DVD and sells it for exactly what it cost to make it, where is the "profit?"

Selling something for any price at all is, by definition, profit.

It doesn't matter if you have to turn right around and spend the money again. You made money. That's all that matters.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Actually, apparently there IS an authorized dvd of WEAT out there...I checked it out with Randy Landers of "Orion Press", and he says his souces tell him it's legit, authorized by NW/P2, and hasn't been C&D'd by CBS.

 

[Pindar]

Actually, apparently there IS an authorized dvd of WEAT out there...I checked it out with Randy Landers of "Orion Press", and he says his souces tell him it's legit, authorized by NW/P2, and hasn't been C&D'd by CBS.

There are/were authorised DVD ISO's you could download from New Voyages of some of the episodes.

The problem being people with no connection to NV were taking these files making discs and selling them online or at conventions.

 

[alchemist]

The profit is going to the company that makes blank DVDs, or the company that makes the toner in your printer. On its own? They're profiting off of a product they wouldn't otherwise. That's the problem.

Thanks, everyone, for replying. I'm not trying to be difficult, but this answer/philosophy really makes no sense (with all due respect) to my musing on a non-profit DVD distribution. If I use your argument, then I could say that United Way is making a profit on the solicitation flyers they mail to households because the paper company is profiting on the sales of paper.

I still have no clarity on this.

 

[Sean_McCormick]

It's law. It does not have to make sense, it only has to be followed.

Anything that gives the impression of makin profit (even 0.00001 cent) of their IP will make CBS come after the fanfilms. Since some greedy guys needed to take the DVD-images offered in the past and make money of then, those images are no longer offered.

 

[alchemist]

It's law. It does not have to make sense, it only has to be followed.

Anything that gives the impression of makin profit (even 0.00001 cent) of their IP will make CBS come after the fanfilms. Since some greedy guys needed to take the DVD-images offered in the past and make money of then, those images are no longer offered.

Thanks for this. I certainly understand that Star Trek TOS is owned and controlled by CBS Television. I further understand that they have every right to protect their IP. So then, what you're saying is that the production of DVDs is forbidden because someone, sometime, might sell them for a profit even if it can be proved beyond any doubt that the initial production of the DVD is profitless.

Okay, then. Let me ask another question: Why would CBS ever give permission, explicit or implicit, to any fan film that's distributed on the internet? I mean, afterall, its fairly straightforward (or so I'm told) to copy the movies from the internet and then burn them onto a disc for distribution. Yes, that would be illegal and CBS would have every right to go after those distributors like lightening. But imagine the amount of legal and logistical headaches it would create for CBS to have to pursue those people and discs. If I were CBS, I would simply squash every activity like this, much like the RIAA has done with illegal downloads of music.

 

[Trekwatcher]

DVD's would be nice, but I agree it would bring the hammer down on these things. I am happy to just watch them online as is if it makes it more likely that TPTB will keep looking the other way.

 

[Timby]

Selling something for any price at all is, by definition, profit.

All ethical arguments aside, you are confusing "profit" with "revenue." Profit is money made after expenses have been paid for.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Not necessarily. There are such terms as gross profit and net profit.

Mark

 

[Timby]

Not necessarily. There are such terms as gross profit and net profit.

Gross Profit:
In general, it is the profit shown on a transaction if one disregards the indirect costs. It is the revenue that remains once one deducts the costs that arise only from the generation of that revenue.

Net Profit:
Net profit is equal to the gross profit minus overheads minus interest payable plus one off items for a given time period.

Neither of those terms are applicable to Babaganoosh's statement.

 

[Hudson_uk]

Whilst it's correct you could produce DVD's for no profit (which is actually the money left after costs in general!) it's a tough one to prove and you always get into arguments over "That costs too much, DVD's are cheaper than that" and things like that.

It attracts too much attention and opens up opportunities for abuse and problems.

It's simply easier not to and as mentioned it's quite easy for most people to work out how to do it themselves.

 

[alchemist]

Whilst it's correct you could produce DVD's for no profit (which is actually the money left after costs in general!) it's a tough one to prove and you always get into arguments over "That costs too much, DVD's are cheaper than that" and things like that.

It attracts too much attention and opens up opportunities for abuse and problems.

Yes, I think this must be the crux. Thanks!!

 

[thumbtack]

Copyright infringement is illegal whether or not there is any profit. People are guessing that the fan films haven't been shut down because no money is being exchanged, but it's illegal regardless.

 

[alchemist]

Copyright infringement is illegal whether or not there is any profit. People are guessing that the fan films haven't been shut down because no money is being exchanged, but it's illegal regardless.

Yes, you are right - copyright infringement is illegal and should be avoided. But are you saying that the fan films are paying for the use of the copyright via an agreement?

 

[Hudson_uk]

No they are not paying for the use of it, if that were so there would be no issues around DVD's etc. Paramount are not preventing it from happening, neither have they issued any public statements. No doubt they reserve their right to do something about them if they wish which is why people are careful.

Paramount are obviously alert since they recently had the Star Trek 11 spy photos removed from various sites.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Selling something for any price at all is, by definition, profit.

All ethical arguments aside, you are confusing "profit" with "revenue." Profit is money made after expenses have been paid for.

And I forgot the bit about collecting underpants too, dammit.