I hope this intentional drastic decrease in viewership, transforming the Star Trek utopia into an exclusive form of entertainment available only to the selected elite (which is ironic in itself), does not prove detrimental to any novel plans that might have been already put in motion. (No Discovery novel has been announced for 2022, right?... And now this? It seems as if they want the show to fail...)
Star Trek Discovery Leaving Netflix For Paramount+ Internationally, season 4 global launch in 2022
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You're very welcome. Sorry, but sometimes the obvious is all there is.
I don't care about the motivations. All I care about is what I see myself or, in this case, what other people see. The whys can be rationalized into infinity. The people who are upset are right to be upset.
I would be pissed if it affected me. The rationales behind it be damned. This was handled badly. At the end of the day, entertainment is a service industry. And a lot of customers don't feel like they were well-served.
But I would say to them: Take it out on the people who let this happen, not Discovery itself.
No, you're right, and I'm sorry for getting snarky. Misdirected rage. I am actually very upset by this. I've been going through pretty rough time lately and the 19th of November was a part of what kept me going. While I am fortunate to have access to P+, Discovery won't air in Australia until 2022. But I agree with you, a lot of the comments about not signing up etc just hurt Discovery and I can already see on places like reddit, elements of the fandom menace fueling the flames in regards to this.
I just think it's ok to be upset but let's be rationale and level headed about it.
I would never get Paramount+ - Netflix and Disney Plus are sufficient. I've considered getting Amazon Prime.
How many of these bloody subscription services are people willing to fork out money for? I wouldn't know what else Paramount+ has on offer ... Blue Bloods? Transformers?
Don't you just long for bygone days where you really only had 2 in the UK (Sky and Virgin), but people will moan about monopolies this is the result multuple platforms that can end up costing you more per month to get everthying you wanted.
But I rememeber back in the day we had to wait muliple years to get content, TNG didn't start in the UK until 3 years after the US. Then once we had caught up it dropped to months.
Same goes for us Trekkies here in ireland. For me personally, i don't really mind waiting just that little bit longer.
I pay far less a year for Netflix, Amazon and Disney then what VM cable used to cost. No long contract, chop and change when you want. No bull like Sky sticking shows on Atlantic so Cable viewers can't watch them.
The reality is to add P+ will cost me less a month then it will to order a burger & chips via Uber Eats.
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I was part of a Star Trek club in my city in Ireland where the organisers got videos of DS9 and VOY shipped from a friend in the US because it meant we could see it quicker than waiting for Irish/UK TV. We paid a sub that covered her postage and the fee to rent the pub function room. It was a more innocent time
It's how it happened and the suddenness of the decision that is the problem. It's not that people have to wait it's that people were told it's 5 days away and now it's 4 months.
Imagine paying €20 for a book on Amazon and being told it would be delivered next Tuesday (GEN pun intended) and then to receive an email saying don't worry it's coming in February. You would be rightly fecked off and you are lying to pretend otherwise
So can't even rewatch the show while waiting for the new season. That's just super great.
I know the example you're trying to give but this does happen, have had it with loads of Blu-rays that I have pre-ordered.
Like I said many times already, it sucks the way this had happened, they way it's been handled and communicated.
And things are made worse there is no rollout plan for folks outside of Europe which just seems bonkers. Wonder if DISCO will end up on Amazon for those in MEA and Asia.
This is why I have bought all the Blu-rays, I can watch what I want when I went.
Modern subscriptions are far cheaper than the cable subscriptions of the 90's and have no lock in contracts. I routinely cancel my Disney + and Amazon prime subs until they have something I want to watch and then I resubscribe. The only thing keeping me attached to Netflix was Star Trek. When Discovery drops pn Paramount + Australia next year, I'll be getting Star Trek again but at half the price I paid for Netflix. Streaming platforms understand that people generally won't subscribe year round. Paramount + is trying to negate this by having new trek all year round. That's worth the $8.99 ($4.99 -$9.99 usd) in my opinion.
What? Everyone know the Netflix never runs any show longer than three seasons... I guess somebody finally realized that they had shown Star Trek Discovery seasons 1 through 3.
Very lame handling by Viacom/CBS! 
Although I needed no proof, I just checked Netflix NZ and sure enough, no more Discovery to be discovered! Classic Trek still there, as well as the brilliant Kelvin movies - however it does appear that Burnham and the crew have disappeared through the wormhole into a future with no set date…
I notice that Paramount+ has no schedule / info on when it’s coming to NZ either, so that’s disappointing!
Although I needed no proof, I just checked Netflix NZ and sure enough, no more Discovery to be discovered! Classic Trek still there, as well as the brilliant Kelvin movies - however it does appear that Burnham and the crew have disappeared through the wormhole into a future with no set date…
I notice that Paramount+ has no schedule / info on when it’s coming to NZ either, so that’s disappointing!
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Yup, torrent to keep up, buy the discs when they come out, cos physical media is still important.
Why is everyone assuming it's only Paramount that's to blame here? Netflix is not some disinterested non-profit. They may have made demands about the license that Paramount couldn't accept given their plans to launch Paramount+ internationally, such as requiring the Discovery license to be exclusive.
I understand why people are upset about the suddenness here. I just don't get why they expect all companies to give their content to a competitor, or why they expect a single subscription to a single company to be able to fund content from so many companies. For that matter, given how Netflix treats its shows, if it were one of their originals they'd probably have cancelled it already.
I understand why people are upset about the suddenness here. I just don't get why they expect all companies to give their content to a competitor, or why they expect a single subscription to a single company to be able to fund content from so many companies. For that matter, given how Netflix treats its shows, if it were one of their originals they'd probably have cancelled it already.
Yeah, I do agree that Netflix probably had some measure of demands that Paramount decided wasn't worthwhile. The suddenness is irritating, especially week of launch. I'm amazed it was still in negotiation up to that point.
Yet another great news from the streaming world. Oh well, I’m sure people will find other bays -uhm I mean ways- to watch it.
It's definitely personal. They obviously hate all non-US peoples.
either that or they simply don't see the logic of letting the competition have their most desirable shows so that their own streaming service crashes and burns.Well, because they are (to blame). ViacomCBS and Netflix had a contract.
So, let's assume ViacomCBS was happy with the contract. Then, this contract would still be in place, since Netflix would have to obey the contract. That's what contracts are for.
That means, ViacomCBS wanted to get out of the contract. They negotiated with Netflix about it. Maybe ViacomCBS would have wanted to make the deal earlier, but whether they tried or not, that possibility was seemingly not available. Available were the options "stay with the contract that the viewers relied on or cancel it a day before the new season starts". If ViacomCBS would care about their viewers, they could have said "OK, we stay within the contract (until after season 4 has aired)". But they willingly decided: "Let's f*** the viewers, surely they will be dumb sheep that just accept our behaviour, will prissily wait a year for the show to arrive in their country on our service instead of getting it through other means, but still be anxious enough about it to immediately buy a year's prescription to our new service just to watch this then-pretty-old-"new"-episodes of the series."
Because they signed a contract to do so. That should be reason enough. Sure, one can buy oneself out from a contract, but if one is acting disappointing, one have to live with being regarded as a disappointment.
Egoism is a two-way thing. If you follow the rule of "companies only have to look for their own benefit", then you also have to accept that "customers only have to look for their own good". And that means that ViacomCBS is just a disappointment.
But the important thing about it is that ViacomCBS is dependent on their viewers, but their viewers are not dependent on ViacomCBS. If their viewers think that ViacomCBS sucks, ViacomCBS has a big problem. If on the other hand ViacomCBS dies, the viewers can just watch the stuff of the many other companies.
So, even if they would think that they make more profit from this single transaction the way they did, it is still a bad idea to alienate their viewerbase with such an untrustworthy behavior - again.
And to make things even worse, the decision is hardly beneficial for their income. (except if Netflix paid an enormous amount of money to get out of the deal, but that is hardly what happened)
ViacomCBS produced a series that people all over the world are anxious to see. There was a contract in place under which all the people could have watched the series for paying some money. And then, one day before the start, ViacomCBS willingly decided to cancel this possibility for all people of the world except for North America with the possibility to pay for their product - leaving them only with means where they don't make any profit from.
Does really anyone think that people that would buy a new Paramount+ account only to watch this series will wait months for it instead of getting it from other sources?
So, one can probably argue whether or not this is disreputable, but one can hardly argue against this being unbelievable stupid and harmful to their own product.
Live long and prosper,
Norad
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