So With All Of The Alternate or Parallel Universes Is There A First?

[TRON JA307020]

Basically one universe had to be the first and then all the other parallel universes or alternate universes had to come about through supposed different decisions etc. that the original or Prime universe made. We all call the TOS the prime universe but how do we know that ? Was it the first or real universe than all the others that followed were created after. I wont bore anyone with the physics but supposedly there are alternate or parallel universe out there that are basically slightly different then ours and may have happened differently. We all have a myriad of decisions we make each day but may have wanted or nearly made a different decision which is where parallel universes may get their start. So in Star Trek the question is at the beginning of the universe there was supposedly just one then the parallels came later. Do there has to be a prime or original universe. Is it TOS or another?

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Re: So With All Of The Alternate or Parallel Universes Is There A Firs

There is no 'main' universe. The 'Prime' universe is the one we've been witnessing, but in universe it's not any more 'Prime' than any of the others. It's just one out of an infinite number.

 

[Melakon]

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The real universe is the one we're living in right now. The proof of this is when the characters refer to historical events that we know have actually happened prior to this moment. They are all in different universes that branched off from our own. None of them, not even Tom Paris, seem to be aware that there was ever a television show called Star Trek.

 

[Greg Cox]

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Forbidden Planet?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Re: So With All Of The Alternate or Parallel Universes Is There A Firs

Basically one universe had to be the first and then all the other parallel universes or alternate universes had to come about through supposed different decisions etc. that the original or Prime universe made. We all call the TOS the prime universe but how do we know that ? Was it the first or real universe than all the others that followed were created after. I wont bore anyone with the physics but supposedly there are alternate or parallel universe out there that are basically slightly different then ours and may have happened differently. We all have a myriad of decisions we make each day but may have wanted or nearly made a different decision which is where parallel universes may get their start. So in Star Trek the question is at the beginning of the universe there was supposedly just one then the parallels came later. Do there has to be a prime or original universe. Is it TOS or another?

The first Universe is the one we see in the Cage. Vulcans there smile. The Enterprise is an Earth ship.

The second Universe is the One we see in Where No Man has Gone Before. In this universe Spock has a human ancestor.He fears people with ESP. Kirk's middle initial is R and was a stack of books with legs. Sulu is a physicist. The Enterprise is an Earth ship

The Third Universe is the one we see in The Corbomite Maneuver. In this Universe Uhura is in the Command division. Vulcans are called Vulcanians.

The Fourth Universe is first seen in The Enemy Within. In this Universe Uhura is in Operations.

Universe Five is first seen in Charlie X. In this Universe the Enterprise is an Earth ship operating under the authority of the United Earth Space Probe Agency

Universe Six has the Enterprise operating as a part of Starfleet and first appears in Tomorrow Is Yesterday. Star Trek takes place in the 22nd Century.

Universe Seven originates in A Taste of Armageddon, it is very similar to the Prime and the Enterprise works for the United Federation of Planets. Space Seed establishes this version is set in the 22nd Century.

Universe Eight is an odd one. It takes place in the 27th Century and debuted in The Squire of Gothos.

Universe Nine is probably the Prime Universe. It starts in "Errand of Mercy".

Universe Ten is the TMP universe. In this universe the events of TOS are fictionalized versions of reality.

Universe Eleven is the TWOK+ universe. It might be the prime. Though if Kirk has no brother as implied in TFF, it might be a new universe.

Universe Twelve is the TNG early season one universe. It takes place some time after 2378.

Maybe I should stop here.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

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For the OP, no universe is any more important (or correct) than another. It's likely a universe exists in which the Enterprise was destroyed by V'Ger, which resulted in the destruction of Earth. It's also likely a universe exists where Project Genesis was a success--and a teenage Elias Vaughn lived there after his mother died.

--Sran

 

[Melakon]

Re: So With All Of The Alternate or Parallel Universes Is There A Firs

Forbidden Planet?

That's possible. Maybe it's a genuine Forbidden Planet spin-off, with Leslie Nielsen reprising his role as J.J. Adams, along with Altaira being rescued every week, and Robby the Robot as their wise-cracking navigator. It becomes a major influence on television programming during the 50s and 60s.

A guy named E. Wesley Roddenbery later pitches a series to network brass he describes as "Spaceship to the Plains", putting his characters in a Conestoga wagon on their way to Cheyenne, Wyoming. The network rejects the pilot, and he's never heard from again.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Re: So With All Of The Alternate or Parallel Universes Is There A Firs

Forbidden Planet?

That's possible. Maybe it's a genuine Forbidden Planet spin-off, with Leslie Nielsen reprising his role as J.J. Adams, along with Altaira being rescued every week, and Robby the Robot as their wise-cracking navigator. It becomes a major influence on television programming during the 50s and 60s.

.

They couldn't get Nielsen, but it was a glorious show.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Re: So With All Of The Alternate or Parallel Universes Is There A Firs

I'm going on a postulation that if there was only one big bang that at the beginning there was only one universe. Alternate or parallel universe possibly came later. Was there only one universe to begin with then parallel universes later or were there a infinite amount of big bangs parallel to each other? If there were multiple big bangs that were similar but different at the very beginning then there is no first or prime universe just a multitude of universes with none being the beginning. I always thought of multiple parallel universes happening after the big bang but not at the outset so if that postulation is true than there is a prime or original universe and parallels followed thereafter.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Re: So With All Of The Alternate or Parallel Universes Is There A Firs

I'm going on a postulation that if there was only one big bang that at the beginning there was only one universe. Alternate or parallel universe possibly came later. Was there only one universe to begin with then parallel universes later or were there a infinite amount of big bangs parallel to each other? If there were multiple big bangs that were similar but different at the very beginning then there is no first or prime universe just a multitude of universes with none being the beginning. I always thought of multiple parallel universes happening after the big bang but not at the outset so if that postulation is true than there is a prime or original universe and parallels followed thereafter.

It's Star Trek. Both are true

 

[TRON JA307020]

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I'm going on a postulation that if there was only one big bang that at the beginning there was only one universe. Alternate or parallel universe possibly came later. Was there only one universe to begin with then parallel universes later or were there a infinite amount of big bangs parallel to each other? If there were multiple big bangs that were similar but different at the very beginning then there is no first or prime universe just a multitude of universes with none being the beginning. I always thought of multiple parallel universes happening after the big bang but not at the outset so if that postulation is true than there is a prime or original universe and parallels followed thereafter.

It's Star Trek. Both are true

The problem is we all call the TOS universe the Prime Universe. Yeah it may be a Prime universe to Abrams NuTrek because the NuTrek Universe was created from Nero changing time. There are of course multiple other universes that star trek has explored before that were there and were not created by time travel or other man made means but we still call the TOS universe the prime universe even though we really don't know if it was the first one. For all we know the "Mirror Mirror" universe is the original and all the others are parallels that came about after.

But maybe your line of thinking is also credible since they never really explored the subject in detail during all of the other trek series.

 

[HIjol]

Re: So With All Of The Alternate or Parallel Universes Is There A Firs

Forbidden Planet?

That's possible. Maybe it's a genuine Forbidden Planet spin-off, with Leslie Nielsen reprising his role as J.J. Adams, along with Altaira being rescued every week, and Robby the Robot as their wise-cracking navigator. It becomes a major influence on television programming during the 50s and 60s.

A guy named E. Wesley Roddenbery later pitches a series to network brass he describes as "Spaceship to the Plains", putting his characters in a Conestoga wagon on their way to Cheyenne, Wyoming. The network rejects the pilot, and he's never heard from again.

Which, full circle, explains Crystal Mountain. They stole the pilot to take the attention off of Wyoming, vanished E. Wesley, and went ahead with a revamped "Wagon Train to Area 51"

It ended up not being on the map.

Forbidden Planet?

.

They couldn't get Nielsen, but it was a glorious show.

Masterful. So Masterful!

 

[F. King Daniel]

Re: So With All Of The Alternate or Parallel Universes Is There A Firs

Basically one universe had to be the first and then all the other parallel universes or alternate universes had to come about through supposed different decisions etc. that the original or Prime universe made. We all call the TOS the prime universe but how do we know that ? Was it the first or real universe than all the others that followed were created after. I wont bore anyone with the physics but supposedly there are alternate or parallel universe out there that are basically slightly different then ours and may have happened differently. We all have a myriad of decisions we make each day but may have wanted or nearly made a different decision which is where parallel universes may get their start. So in Star Trek the question is at the beginning of the universe there was supposedly just one then the parallels came later. Do there has to be a prime or original universe. Is it TOS or another?

The first Universe is the one we see in the Cage. Vulcans there smile. The Enterprise is an Earth ship.

The second Universe is the One we see in Where No Man has Gone Before. In this universe Spock has a human ancestor.He fears people with ESP. Kirk's middle initial is R and was a stack of books with legs. Sulu is a physicist. The Enterprise is an Earth ship

The Third Universe is the one we see in The Corbomite Maneuver. In this Universe Uhura is in the Command division. Vulcans are called Vulcanians.

The Fourth Universe is first seen in The Enemy Within. In this Universe Uhura is in Operations.

Universe Five is first seen in Charlie X. In this Universe the Enterprise is an Earth ship operating under the authority of the United Earth Space Probe Agency

Universe Six has the Enterprise operating as a part of Starfleet and first appears in Tomorrow Is Yesterday. Star Trek takes place in the 22nd Century.

Universe Seven originates in A Taste of Armageddon, it is very similar to the Prime and the Enterprise works for the United Federation of Planets. Space Seed establishes this version is set in the 22nd Century.

Universe Eight is an odd one. It takes place in the 27th Century and debuted in The Squire of Gothos.

Universe Nine is probably the Prime Universe. It starts in "Errand of Mercy".

Universe Ten is the TMP universe. In this universe the events of TOS are fictionalized versions of reality.

Universe Eleven is the TWOK+ universe. It might be the prime. Though if Kirk has no brother as implied in TFF, it might be a new universe.

Universe Twelve is the TNG early season one universe. It takes place some time after 2378.

Maybe I should stop here.

 

[Joel_Kirk]

Re: So With All Of The Alternate or Parallel Universes Is There A Firs

Basically one universe had to be the first and then all the other parallel universes or alternate universes had to come about through supposed different decisions etc. that the original or Prime universe made. We all call the TOS the prime universe but how do we know that ? Was it the first or real universe than all the others that followed were created after. I wont bore anyone with the physics but supposedly there are alternate or parallel universe out there that are basically slightly different then ours and may have happened differently. We all have a myriad of decisions we make each day but may have wanted or nearly made a different decision which is where parallel universes may get their start. So in Star Trek the question is at the beginning of the universe there was supposedly just one then the parallels came later. Do there has to be a prime or original universe. Is it TOS or another?

The first Universe is the one we see in the Cage. Vulcans there smile. The Enterprise is an Earth ship.

The second Universe is the One we see in Where No Man has Gone Before. In this universe Spock has a human ancestor.He fears people with ESP. Kirk's middle initial is R and was a stack of books with legs. Sulu is a physicist. The Enterprise is an Earth ship

The Third Universe is the one we see in The Corbomite Maneuver. In this Universe Uhura is in the Command division. Vulcans are called Vulcanians.

The Fourth Universe is first seen in The Enemy Within. In this Universe Uhura is in Operations.

Universe Five is first seen in Charlie X. In this Universe the Enterprise is an Earth ship operating under the authority of the United Earth Space Probe Agency

Universe Six has the Enterprise operating as a part of Starfleet and first appears in Tomorrow Is Yesterday. Star Trek takes place in the 22nd Century.

Universe Seven originates in A Taste of Armageddon, it is very similar to the Prime and the Enterprise works for the United Federation of Planets. Space Seed establishes this version is set in the 22nd Century.

Universe Eight is an odd one. It takes place in the 27th Century and debuted in The Squire of Gothos.

Universe Nine is probably the Prime Universe. It starts in "Errand of Mercy".

Universe Ten is the TMP universe. In this universe the events of TOS are fictionalized versions of reality.

Universe Eleven is the TWOK+ universe. It might be the prime. Though if Kirk has no brother as implied in TFF, it might be a new universe.

Universe Twelve is the TNG early season one universe. It takes place some time after 2378.

Maybe I should stop here.

Makes sense....

I would possibly add:

"Star Trek Online" is probably another universe as well...or one combining all of those universes. Especially since everyone is wearing a combination of clothing from all those universes listed.

Some have even thought that "Star Trek: Enterprise" was a separate universe, too.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Re: So With All Of The Alternate or Parallel Universes Is There A Firs

Basically one universe had to be the first and then all the other parallel universes or alternate universes had to come about through supposed different decisions etc. that the original or Prime universe made. We all call the TOS the prime universe but how do we know that ? Was it the first or real universe than all the others that followed were created after. I wont bore anyone with the physics but supposedly there are alternate or parallel universe out there that are basically slightly different then ours and may have happened differently. We all have a myriad of decisions we make each day but may have wanted or nearly made a different decision which is where parallel universes may get their start. So in Star Trek the question is at the beginning of the universe there was supposedly just one then the parallels came later. Do there has to be a prime or original universe. Is it TOS or another?

The first Universe is the one we see in the Cage. Vulcans there smile. The Enterprise is an Earth ship.

The second Universe is the One we see in Where No Man has Gone Before. In this universe Spock has a human ancestor.He fears people with ESP. Kirk's middle initial is R and was a stack of books with legs. Sulu is a physicist. The Enterprise is an Earth ship

The Third Universe is the one we see in The Corbomite Maneuver. In this Universe Uhura is in the Command division. Vulcans are called Vulcanians.

The Fourth Universe is first seen in The Enemy Within. In this Universe Uhura is in Operations.

Universe Five is first seen in Charlie X. In this Universe the Enterprise is an Earth ship operating under the authority of the United Earth Space Probe Agency

Universe Six has the Enterprise operating as a part of Starfleet and first appears in Tomorrow Is Yesterday. Star Trek takes place in the 22nd Century.

Universe Seven originates in A Taste of Armageddon, it is very similar to the Prime and the Enterprise works for the United Federation of Planets. Space Seed establishes this version is set in the 22nd Century.

Universe Eight is an odd one. It takes place in the 27th Century and debuted in The Squire of Gothos.

Universe Nine is probably the Prime Universe. It starts in "Errand of Mercy".

Universe Ten is the TMP universe. In this universe the events of TOS are fictionalized versions of reality.

Universe Eleven is the TWOK+ universe. It might be the prime. Though if Kirk has no brother as implied in TFF, it might be a new universe.

Universe Twelve is the TNG early season one universe. It takes place some time after 2378.

Maybe I should stop here.

Makes sense....

I would possibly add:

"Star Trek Online" is probably another universe as well...or one combining all of those universes. Especially since everyone is wearing a combination of clothing from all those universes listed.

Some have even thought that "Star Trek: Enterprise" was a separate universe, too.

Ugh. That's too many. I hope Star Wars never goes this way. Keep it a one known universe. Disney will probably put so many movies out though that some dope will probably decide to do a time travel episode that creates a different Star Wars universe.

 

[Nerys Myk]

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I'm going on a postulation that if there was only one big bang that at the beginning there was only one universe. Alternate or parallel universe possibly came later. Was there only one universe to begin with then parallel universes later or were there a infinite amount of big bangs parallel to each other? If there were multiple big bangs that were similar but different at the very beginning then there is no first or prime universe just a multitude of universes with none being the beginning. I always thought of multiple parallel universes happening after the big bang but not at the outset so if that postulation is true than there is a prime or original universe and parallels followed thereafter.

It's Star Trek. Both are true

The problem is we all call the TOS universe the Prime Universe. Yeah it may be a Prime universe to Abrams NuTrek because the NuTrek Universe was created from Nero changing time. There are of course multiple other universes that star trek has explored before that were there and were not created by time travel or other man made means but we still call the TOS universe the prime universe even though we really don't know if it was the first one. For all we know the "Mirror Mirror" universe is the original and all the others are parallels that came about after.

But maybe your line of thinking is also credible since they never really explored the subject in detail during all of the other trek series.

Its "Prime" because that's the one we watched for nearly 50 years. Until the reboot, they were all one off. With the exception the Mirror Universe, of course.

The parts in bold are a bit contradictory. Pick a point of view.

stuff I wrote, with tongue in cheek.

Makes sense....

I would possibly add:

"Star Trek Online" is probably another universe as well...or one combining all of those universes. Especially since everyone is wearing a combination of clothing from all those universes listed.

Some have even thought that "Star Trek: Enterprise" was a separate universe, too.

Ugh. That's too many. I hope Star Wars never goes this way. Keep it a one known universe. Disney will probably put so many movies out though that some dope will probably decide to do a time travel episode that creates a different Star Wars universe.

Star Trek hasn't gone this way, either.

I'm sure folks who love the EU will always hold it dear to their hearts, no matter what Disney says.

 

[K'Toska]

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This thread... *head explodes*

 

[Trekkin]

Re: So With All Of The Alternate or Parallel Universes Is There A Firs

Basically one universe had to be the first and then all the other parallel universes or alternate universes had to come about through supposed different decisions etc. that the original or Prime universe made. We all call the TOS the prime universe but how do we know that ? Was it the first or real universe than all the others that followed were created after. I wont bore anyone with the physics but supposedly there are alternate or parallel universe out there that are basically slightly different then ours and may have happened differently. We all have a myriad of decisions we make each day but may have wanted or nearly made a different decision which is where parallel universes may get their start. So in Star Trek the question is at the beginning of the universe there was supposedly just one then the parallels came later. Do there has to be a prime or original universe. Is it TOS or another?

The first Universe is the one we see in the Cage. Vulcans there smile. The Enterprise is an Earth ship.

The second Universe is the One we see in Where No Man has Gone Before. In this universe Spock has a human ancestor.He fears people with ESP. Kirk's middle initial is R and was a stack of books with legs. Sulu is a physicist. The Enterprise is an Earth ship

The Third Universe is the one we see in The Corbomite Maneuver. In this Universe Uhura is in the Command division. Vulcans are called Vulcanians.

The Fourth Universe is first seen in The Enemy Within. In this Universe Uhura is in Operations.

Universe Five is first seen in Charlie X. In this Universe the Enterprise is an Earth ship operating under the authority of the United Earth Space Probe Agency

Universe Six has the Enterprise operating as a part of Starfleet and first appears in Tomorrow Is Yesterday. Star Trek takes place in the 22nd Century.

Universe Seven originates in A Taste of Armageddon, it is very similar to the Prime and the Enterprise works for the United Federation of Planets. Space Seed establishes this version is set in the 22nd Century.

Universe Eight is an odd one. It takes place in the 27th Century and debuted in The Squire of Gothos.

Universe Nine is probably the Prime Universe. It starts in "Errand of Mercy".

Universe Ten is the TMP universe. In this universe the events of TOS are fictionalized versions of reality.

Universe Eleven is the TWOK+ universe. It might be the prime. Though if Kirk has no brother as implied in TFF, it might be a new universe.

Universe Twelve is the TNG early season one universe. It takes place some time after 2378.

Maybe I should stop here.

Makes sense....

I would possibly add:

"Star Trek Online" is probably another universe as well...or one combining all of those universes. Especially since everyone is wearing a combination of clothing from all those universes listed.

Some have even thought that "Star Trek: Enterprise" was a separate universe, too.

Spock Prime mentions in the opening, that at least that first scene with you as an admiral is the Prime Universe.

Of course, then your character time travels...

 

[Willow]

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This thread... *head explodes*

My brain is a big pile of gray goo next to yours! And I thought time travel discussions twisted my mind. I've gotta say that there are a lot of people with a lot of interesting ideas !

 

[HIjol]

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This thread... *head explodes*

My brain is a big pile of gray goo next to yours! And I thought time travel discussions twisted my mind. I've gotta say that there are a lot of people with a lot of interesting ideas !

You will find that to be true just about anywhere you "look", here! Lots of good brains with interesting ideas!

May I ask, Willow, is your screen name to do with the movie, "Willow"?