Yeah. That way they would be “brothers” of some sort.
So, appereantly *SPOILERS* is Anakin's 'father'.....?
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Yeah, I have a feeling there were probably a lot more masters killing apprentice's than there were apprentices.
I think I might need to rewatch the Yoda arc, I see people referring to stuff like this all the time, and I have absolutely no memory of any of it at all.
So wait, Anakin's dad isn't the result of a temporal anomaly created by Kylo Ren that throws Han back in time while he's falling down the abyss, is healed up, then gets busy with the medical practitioner that healed him like what I'm glad they didn't do in "Back to the Future"? 
Small detail for those still convinced that panel shows the literal truth: in said panel Shmi is clearly already heavily pregnant...you guys do know when conception generally happens, right? I'll give you a hint: it's not during the third trimester!
LOL!
Shmi... Hmmm, is Shmi's surname "Heeeeeeeeeed"?
(Fans of Red Dwarf will get that more quickly...)
You mean like that he had the power to save Padmé?
"I have the power to save the one you love." — Darth Sidious
"To cheat death is a power only one has achieved, but, if we work together, I know we can discover the secret." — Darth Sidious
"To cheat death is a power only one has achieved, but, if we work together, I know we can discover the secret." — Darth Sidious
Yeah. Sure. Both can't be true.
No. However Anakin was created, it does not follow that he was destined to become evil. According to Lucas circa 2005, he was created either by the Sith or by the Force itself. In either case the result is the same - a child with a lot of midichlorians. If that alone would equate to being destined to evil, couldn't we say the same thing about Yoda?
"The Jedi will kill the senators" seems like a bit of a stretch.
Of course they can. If the ability can be achieved by them working together, then Palpatine has the 'power' to make it happen by lending his assistance.
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No, the second sentence literally contradicts the first.
I have the power.
I don't have the power, it was some other guy who had it, and it's a secret I don't yet know.
Seems clear-cut. Lies.
I don't have the power, it was some other guy who had it, and it's a secret I don't yet know.
Seems clear-cut. Lies.
I have the power, except I don't and we need to discover the secret together. Seems legit...
Palpatine lies to Anakin/Vader every single time he uhim as "my friend".
I don't see how anyone that actually paid attention could credit the idea that Palpatine always told the truth. He certainly spun lies and truth together and used the resultant narrative to his full advantage like any good mythical deceiver, but that's hardly the same thing.
Furthermore, while Anakin may have believed his claim, Vader knows better. There's very clear evidence of the two of them placing a game of faces with each other in both ESB & RotJ.
Remember that holocall that Palpatine made to Vader in the asteroid field? If you read between the lines that was basically the pair of them calling each other out on their respective bullshit, complete with implied threats on both sides.
Fast forward to RotJ and Palpatine has Vader well and truly brought to heel, even referring to him as property right in front of him. They both still keep up the facade because Palpatine is using to torment Vader and Vader is so without hope he doesn't even care anymore. That's because by that point, Palpatine has Vader so penned in that the only possible way he could be a threat is through a heroic act of self sacrifice and, well, what are the odds of that!?
I don't see how anyone that actually paid attention could credit the idea that Palpatine always told the truth. He certainly spun lies and truth together and used the resultant narrative to his full advantage like any good mythical deceiver, but that's hardly the same thing.
Furthermore, while Anakin may have believed his claim, Vader knows better. There's very clear evidence of the two of them placing a game of faces with each other in both ESB & RotJ.
Remember that holocall that Palpatine made to Vader in the asteroid field? If you read between the lines that was basically the pair of them calling each other out on their respective bullshit, complete with implied threats on both sides.
Fast forward to RotJ and Palpatine has Vader well and truly brought to heel, even referring to him as property right in front of him. They both still keep up the facade because Palpatine is using to torment Vader and Vader is so without hope he doesn't even care anymore. That's because by that point, Palpatine has Vader so penned in that the only possible way he could be a threat is through a heroic act of self sacrifice and, well, what are the odds of that!?
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Because of how Palpatine is presented in the PT.
You mean as a person orchestrating a war from both sides? As someone with a dual identity?
Just skimming though a compilation of his scenes in TPM and already I'm seeing multiple instances of blatant falsehoods, manipulations, insincerities, promises he has no intention of keeping and of course more lies of omission than you can shake a kowakian monkey lizard at.
Set Harth, Palpatine's statements were contradictory lies; he baited Eternally Stupid Anakin with nothing more than a vague story about saving life as if he was in on the secret--going so far as to tell Anakin that the Jedi could not teach him (ESA should have picked up on the wheels falling off the story at that point, as Palpatine had not revealed himself as Sidious yet, but...). Then--based only on that vague story, Anakin betrayed all he believed in, only for Palpatine to pull a--
"oh...yeah, about that saving life thngy? Yeah, only if we work toge-THAH can we lear-rrnn the see-CRET!."
So that was a major lie--its "truth" only revealed after Anakin sold his soul in the attack on Mace.
I don't see how anyone who actually paid attention could credit the idea that Palpatine mostly lies. Palpatine's shtik, if anything, appears to be more along the lines of manipulation through the use of technically or factually true statements. And as for "lies of omission"? Talk to the hand. "Lying by omission" happens every time anyone speaks. Utterances are finite. Information is always omitted. It's also known as "not lying".
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Nope. Palpatine's narrative is consistently about Anakin becoming able to achieve the ability if he allows Palpatine to help him.
Not even a little bit. That's not even a proper paraphrasing of what Sidious said the second time. A proper paraphrasing of Sidious's second assertion would be that he was confident that they could discover how to cheat death together. It's not an assertion that Anakin could gain the power with Palpatine's help. The second assertion is a denial that Palpatine knows anything about it, except that purportedly the power exists to be learned and that only one has ever learned it, whereas the first is a claim that he already knows enough to use it on his own.
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