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Smallville#9x14 "Persuasion" - Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

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I don't get all the legal stuff, or potential legal stuff that might be preventing Smallville from using Superman's name. It's not like audiences are so dumb that they would confuse Smallville Superman with a silver screen Superman. Why couldn't we have both?


I think the idea is that why would you pay $10 to see Superman, in all his glory, on the big screen when you can see him for free on SMALLVILLE?

And how big a deal would a new SUPERMAN movie seem if he's on tv every Friday night anyway?

I'm not saying it's a good theory, but I believe that's the conventional wisdom.

Plus, of course, legal stuff doesn't have to make sense. It just has to be legal. If the CW doesn't have the rights to use the suit or the name or whatever, they don't have the rights, period.

You've pretty much covered the reason why the name isn't used, the suits at WB aren't about to let a TV show use a name that will be used in a theatrical release and earn them some big bucks. The core problem is, Clark isn't a schoolboy anymore, he works in the Daily Planet, and as far as I know, didn't he start work there so he could do superheroy things? This is why the show is silly, he can't fly, or wear the suit, at least make him fly, damn it.
 
yeah but Smallville gets away with some Superman stuff like showing the cape. And what about some of those commercials you see from time to time that feature Superman in some capacity? How do those get away with the usage if there are legal bindings
 
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Ok, I would settle for flight and something other than that silly t-shirt with chalk...atleast put him in something that looks more traditional to the \S/uit...hell, his old red jacket, blue jeans and a blue Superman t-shirt would be cool. :lol:
 
yeah but Smallville gets away with some Superman stuff like showing the cape. And what about some of those commercials you see from time to time that feature Superman in some capacity? How do those get away with the usage if there are legal bindings


Different deals, different contracts. Obviously, those commercials paid DC a specified sum of money to borrow SUPERMAN on a case-by-case basis. And the terms of those appearances were carefully determined in advance.

It's not a copyright issue. It's a licensing issue. It all depends on what sort of contract the CW signed years ago.

It's seldom a case of "Here's our character. Do whatever you want with him." It's more like "You are allowed to do such and such with our character, subject to our approval. No more, no less."

Just because Warner gave them permission to show a glimpse of the cape doesn't mean that they have permission to use the costume week after week. I'm sure that glimpse of the cape required several phone calls and meetings!
 
and how does superman work when both sides of the lawsuit got parts of superman....
the family got certain rights to superman and dc got different rights...
 
and this is what I'm talking about....

In an ongoing California court battle over Superman, Judge Stephen Larson issued a ruling Wednesday that awards the family of the superhero’s co-creator, Jerry Siegel, rights to additional works, including the first two weeks of the daily Superman newspaper comicstrips, as well as portions of early Action Comics and Superman comicbooks.

This means the Siegels now control depictions of Superman’s origins from the planet Krypton, his parents Jor-L and Lora, Superman as the infant Kal-L, the launching of the infant Superman into space by his parents as Krypton explodes and his landing on Earth in a fiery crash.

blah blah blah

But that didn’t give them the full Superman copyright because DC owns other important elements like Superman’s ability to fly, the term kryptonite, the Lex Luthor, Jimmy Olsen and Perry White characters, Superman’s vision powers and expanded origins.

blah blah blah

you can find the whole story at:
http://dietrichthrall.wordpress.com...warner-brothers-will-lose-all-rights-in-2013/
 
Good job with the hottie of the week. Keep 'em coming Smallville... :bolian:

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Tom Welling has THREE facial expressions?! :eek:

That's one more than Scott Bakula had on Enterprise!
I didn't notice the jaw-clench-followed-by-a-gulp this week.

I wasn't watching the screen very closely and when I looked up it looked like Lana blew fairy dust on Clark and Lois. :lol:
She did look like Lana didn't she? And so did the kandorian woman who was killed. Looked like Lana when the veil was pulled away.

Lois gets more annoying with every moment.
And here I was thinking that they really lucked out with Erica Durance. She's been a great Lois.

Is it bad if I find Lois totally hot right now, what with that dress and all (not the whole sub servant thing)

Yeah, I'm feeling it too.
June Cleaver didn't do much for me.

I wish Erica Durance would lighten her hair a little.
I was also thinking that I'm glad it's brown now. Remember when it was blond-ish? Now she's "Lois".

Clark. Your priorities are messed up.

Fuck the flower girl.
Looked like she wanted him.

The dancing Lois was just hilariously awesome.
Don't remember that scene. It couldn't have been better than Zoe's dance on Caprica. :p

Cat fight!
It came out of nowhere and I didn't think it was anything special.

The ending was indeed badass. Though, I hope Clark managed to catch that falling bit of tower before it fell on the head of some poor late night office worker or taxi driver. :lol:

Still, pretty damn awesome scene.
Ah! 9/11. Gutsy move with the towers. And yeah, I wonder if he thought about the people below on the street.

I'm just hoping it gets another season so we can see SMALLVILLE-ized versions of other obscure DC heroes.
I want to see Firestorm.

The writing for Tess has been wildly inconsistant. She was supposed to replace Lex as the series' "big bad" but, I dunno, it's hard to take that when she's yet to do anything truly all that evil and they go and cover her in bubbles and short skirts.
I think she's been very effective as a ruthless and dangerous woman and the sexiness makes her even moreso, not less. Sex is power and she owns it and uses it.

I don't get all the legal stuff, or potential legal stuff that might be preventing Smallville from using Superman's name. It's not like audiences are so dumb that they would confuse Smallville Superman with a silver screen Superman. Why couldn't we have both?


I think the idea is that why would you pay $10 to see Superman, in all his glory, on the big screen when you can see him for free on SMALLVILLE?
Right. Don't dilute the product, plain and simple.
 
That June Cleaver / Erica Durance phase she went thru...
reminded me of the 50's version of lois lane...
 
You know, with the way Emil was acting while under the influence, I can only imagine what he would have done if he had been told to "kneel before Zod." ;)
 
I almost wish Tess was brought in around season 5...Clark's secret is hers to keep, however she still would be working for Lex...but always being loyal to Clark...even though he doesn't appreciate her as much as he should...plus it would have been great girl on girl drama with Lana, Chloe, Lois, Kara...maybe Mrs Kent.

:)
 
I think she's been very effective as a ruthless and dangerous woman and the sexiness makes her even moreso, not less. Sex is power and she owns it and uses it.

I'm fairly certain that's the most skin she's ever shown. Last season they cut away just as she was about to undo the top button of her blouse - just in time to show a stark naked Oliver.

They show every guy in this show shirtless frequently. Tess' back covered in bubble bath is hardly pushing the limits.

I'll give this an Average. Erica Durance's talent for comedy shines through again, at least. Lois and Clark are turning rapidly in to Eric and Ernie.
 
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